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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Wrestlers are more likely to be easier to choke out than judoka, for reasons obvious to anyone with randori experience.

    CTFO.
    Agreed.

    The OP was ?? about self defense.

    I believe a person with the same amount of time in both would do well, however Judo using say a Tai Atoshi to an arm bar would stop all nonsense for purposes of self defense, vs a simple take-down possibly popping up to a suplex then work to a guillotine, thus ending any threat.

    Randori done properly IMHO is one of the most efficient ways to develop Judo and real skill. IMO, and Judo is not without strikes by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost View Post
    ...tossing someone and then getting the hell out of there...
    *Re-reads thread title.*

    Oh, yeah--it says "Self Defence".

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    Am I reading this right? The debate is basically Eastern wrestling vs. Western wrestling?

    Isn't that klind of like arguing night stick vs. tonfa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Machette View Post
    Am I reading this right? The debate is basically Eastern wrestling vs. Western wrestling?

    Isn't that klind of like arguing night stick vs. tonfa?
    Nightsticks are obviously superior. There's a reason why Police use Nightsticks instead of shitty tonfas. It's rounded edge, unlike the crap tonfa flat ones, gives it a streamlined edge and balance making it aerodynamically superior.

    But the real debate is: Submission Wrestling vs Folkstyle Wrestling.

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    Do Judo, learn to fall, show respect for all no matter what level- Work hard, lurk here, volunteer at the dojo, give back to the program, and be humble and open minded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpmma View Post
    I do know that judo and wrestling are very similar, and I havent ever tried it. But their description of it is always "its pure strength on strength the whole time" which from a judo perspective is just redundent, dping that the stronger man will always win. While with great technique and execution a small judoka can bring a much larger one down with an ogoshi.
    One of the flaws in this reasoning is that there are many, many women participating in judo. Perhaps fewer in wrestling but that was in my day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaquero de las nalgas View Post
    One of the flaws in this reasoning is that there are many, many women participating in judo. Perhaps fewer in wrestling but that was in my day.
    In NM quite a few females wrestling, but they MUST wrestle boys.

    In Texas they have their own class (ALL FEMALE) and two others I believe. More are coming out, and still is growing, in fact IMHO female wrestling may save Olympic Wrestling, which the determination will come out soon, this September. Females could now join HS wrestling, go the USA route, do some JUDO and end up all in MMA beating the crap out of each other. So if we could have USA Box, Judo, Wrestling, and then USA MMA!, BOOM we are DONE! Anyone know if someone is working on a USA MMA?

    Vaguero, you are so right about the reasoning flaw. I know a few 105 lb'ers that can throw 250 lb men. It aint pretty, but gives them a chance to run away...which is my preferred strategy to larger people or smaller people with lots of skill and conditioning.

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    For self defense, I'll take judo over wrestling. Both are good and this part of the country is rife with wrestling. I've done both.

    Not mentioned in this thread is that, with a little variation, many judo techniques can be made more dangerous that what's allowed in competition or safe for randori in the dojo. Some techniques have been removed from the judo syllabus over the years due to injury. At least for shiai.

    We have a kids class, 'judo for wrestlers'. Lots of young talent learning judo techniques to up their game. They're taking the time for a reason.

    Still crying about the rule changes in judo for attacking the legs.
    Last edited by hungryjoe; 7/28/2013 10:30pm at .

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryjoe View Post
    Not mentioned in this thread is that, with a little variation, many judo techniques can be made more dangerous that what's allowed in competition or safe for randori in the dojo.
    This is certainly true of wrestling as well, from standing or the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    This is certainly true of wrestling as well, from standing or the ground.
    I agree, in fact the lack of clothing, ie no gi approach in matches for wrestling is an added advantage at times. I can think of a few moves that hurt real bad when done incorrectly or illegally in collegiate wrestling, which turn into submissions, or life ending maneuvers.

    There is one move that from behind is very painful and should be banned from MMA. I am not sure what the move is called but top man is north/south - with basically head and arm with hooks in. Deadly and can snap a spine, wrestling...or Judo. Not sure the name.

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