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  1. judojeff is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpmma View Post
    I do know that judo and wrestling are very similar, and I havent ever tried it. But their description of it is always "its pure strength on strength the whole time" which from a judo perspective is just redundent, dping that the stronger man will always win. While with great technique and execution a small judoka can bring a much larger one down with an ogoshi.
    There description of it is wrong, its not strength on strength, its all about proper use of strength in the application of technique like any other art. Judo just likes to talk about this principle a lot more then wrestling does but it is still the driving force of both arts.

    Judo also likes to play up the small vs big image a lot but realisticly wrestling could do the same, I wrestled at 160lbs for most of my career and was always getting taken down and worked over by our 145 pounder. This goes the other way to, wrestlers love to claim that they are the best conditioned athletes out there (or at least we did when I wrestled), when in reality that title (arguably) belongs to grapplers in general.
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    The reason why Judo is superior to Wrestling for self defense is simply that it limits your legal liability; you're much less likely to be put in jail for tossing someone and then getting the hell out of there, than you are for dumping someone and then implementing a GnP from the top.
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    I only fight people with clothes on, so Judo.

    Seriously though, both are legit. Judo has more to offer, with chokes, high air-mileage throws, etc... But wrestlers get those basics of positional dominance on the ground really drilled into them which is a totally valid tactic as well.
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    You and your kin shouldn't be a feudin'

    Yo'all should be joining forces against the true enemy...


    Thoses damn BJJ guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Wrestlers are more likely to be easier to choke out than judoka, for reasons obvious to anyone with randori experience.

    CTFO.
    Agreed.

    The OP was ?? about self defense.

    I believe a person with the same amount of time in both would do well, however Judo using say a Tai Atoshi to an arm bar would stop all nonsense for purposes of self defense, vs a simple take-down possibly popping up to a suplex then work to a guillotine, thus ending any threat.

    Randori done properly IMHO is one of the most efficient ways to develop Judo and real skill. IMO, and Judo is not without strikes by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost View Post
    ...tossing someone and then getting the hell out of there...
    *Re-reads thread title.*

    Oh, yeah--it says "Self Defence".
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    Am I reading this right? The debate is basically Eastern wrestling vs. Western wrestling?

    Isn't that klind of like arguing night stick vs. tonfa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Machette View Post
    Am I reading this right? The debate is basically Eastern wrestling vs. Western wrestling?

    Isn't that klind of like arguing night stick vs. tonfa?
    Nightsticks are obviously superior. There's a reason why Police use Nightsticks instead of shitty tonfas. It's rounded edge, unlike the crap tonfa flat ones, gives it a streamlined edge and balance making it aerodynamically superior.

    But the real debate is: Submission Wrestling vs Folkstyle Wrestling.
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    Do Judo, learn to fall, show respect for all no matter what level- Work hard, lurk here, volunteer at the dojo, give back to the program, and be humble and open minded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpmma View Post
    I do know that judo and wrestling are very similar, and I havent ever tried it. But their description of it is always "its pure strength on strength the whole time" which from a judo perspective is just redundent, dping that the stronger man will always win. While with great technique and execution a small judoka can bring a much larger one down with an ogoshi.
    One of the flaws in this reasoning is that there are many, many women participating in judo. Perhaps fewer in wrestling but that was in my day.
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