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  1. andrewpmma is offline

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    judo vs wrestling in self defense

    A very frequent argument i have with my uncle and cousin (uncle wrestled in HS, and cousin currently is.) is whether judo or wrestling would be more effective for self defense. My cousin states that judo is simply ineffective, and that none of the techniques would work in real life (yet they do in randori and tournament). And him and my uncle seem to think its this no resistance kata based martial art, and that none of it is of any use. So id like to see what the bullshido community here thinks about this topic.
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    If he thinks its a no resistance, kata based art he's probably thinking of some JJJ variant. Plenty of those and they do suck. But that's defintely not judo.

    You could always find some good competition footage on youtube to show them... or just agree to disagree. Someone else's misunderstanding does not change the facts. about it.
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    I'd take wrestling over Judo because it's more control your opponent rather than throw/submit. Pinning won't result in a lawsuit while throwing someone on concrete will. Not to mention you're required to have insane conditioning. Of course Judo has great pins, but due to the rules, they don't focus on it nearly as much as wrestling.

    However, they're both very good and alive.
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    OP your relatives don't know what they are talking about.
    Cuddles I'm not sure you do either. Win by pin in any form of wrestling I'm aware of is both shoulders to the mat for a brief time, at most 2 secs depending on style. When I've watched wrestling its seemed to me that the focus for the pin is just that, get those shoulders down. Judo requires you to control the opponent for 25 sec (20 under the newest rules) to win. How is this worse than wrestling?
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    Its a very aggrivating misunderstanding of judo, neither of them know a thing about judo. And the only argument they can make is what ifs, I.e. "your put in a spladdle, headlock, or some other move. Where I can say the same with armbars or a triangle choke. But just going by the method of learning, id say judo would have a distinct advantage as its a) trained as a martial art and b) when someones coming at you its alot safer to throw them and run, rather than try a leg take and possibly get kneed in the face or have his buddies come stomp you out while youre trying to wrestle him.
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    Your uncle and cousin don't know what Judo is. In any case, both skills are good to have in a PitFight:









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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuddles View Post
    I'd take wrestling over Judo because it's more control your opponent rather than throw/submit. Pinning won't result in a lawsuit while throwing someone on concrete will. Not to mention you're required to have insane conditioning. Of course Judo has great pins, but due to the rules, they don't focus on it nearly as much as wrestling.
    It depends on how you learn I suppose, but in my experience Judo has a strong focus on pins, as it seems with the limited amount of time we have to work on the ground, it's more time efficient to turn someone onto their back and get into a controlling position than to isolate an arm or attack the neck for a submission (unless there's a particular opening). On that topic, I'm pretty sure wrestlers don't train and actively attempt to choke opponents unconscious, which is a useful skill to have for neutralizing an aggressive dickface without causing too much damage.
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    Posted On:
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    I can't copy paste the video address, but perform a search on Youtube for Anthony Igne at a wrestling tournament 1". Show your relatives that video. Igne is a talented Judoka who cleaned house at several wrestling tournaments.

    Edit: Taking advantage of my staff editing abilities, here are the videos.



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    On that topic, I'm pretty sure wrestlers don't train and actively attempt to choke opponents unconscious, which is a useful skill to have for neutralizing an aggressive dickface without causing too much damage.
    It's pretty easy to pick up the rudimentary mechanics of a few chokes and put them into your street game, though.
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     Style: MMA,scjj,judo,some tkd

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    Ive offered to roll, and have mentioned coming down to see what it really is. But all hell say is im bigger than him, which to me already proves wrestling to be lesser as a form of self defense. Because its mostly based off pure strength rather than technique.
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