Posted On:11/04/2013 8:33pm
Guy Who Pays the Bills and Gets the Death Threats Style: MMA (Retired)
Yeah, we went there, and we're going further.
This month is dedicated to the firearm, its proper use, and training; a neglected aspect of what are supposed to be "Martial" arts... you know, the arts of war?
Well wars today aren't fought with swords, spears, nunchucks, shuriken. The last time people tried to go Old Dojo with that nonsense, the British bitchslapped them back into the days of Bodhidharma.
Guess which one of these guys managed to take out one of the dirty Gwailo interlopers... if you said "Oooh, the guy who looks like a drum major", punch yourself in the gonads
If you're training in combat arts without even a marginal awareness of firearms, let alone their use, you need to at least be aware that the entire scope of your training is only relevant due to a vast infrastructure of law enforcement and other social constructs. The minute those constructs evaporate, as they tend to do periodically (regularly) in Human history (see also: Hurricane Katrina), it may very well be too late to benefit from the lesson you'd then learn; fighting isn't fair, and the vast majority of it doesn't involve punching or kicking or choking, it involves putting holes in people from a distance.
Random Orwellian quote... by Orwell. We just wanted to shoe-horn this in somewhere
Who cares though, you don't live in Darfur or East Timor, or Detroit. You live in a place where people aren't savages, right? After all the police are only minutes away and you're a big, tough guy; you can hold your own.
Super duper. You going to be strong and fit and athletic all your life? Every year past 30 or so, your body is getting weaker, shittier, and more brittle. It's a fact, whether you like it or not - you're not going to be strong forever, and the adolescent delusion that you are is precisely the reason why warlords have recruited teenagers for centuries, because they can't see more than 5 minutes into their own futures.
Or maybe you're not a big, strong guy. Maybe you're a woman, who's walking alone through a parking lot every night. What would be better: a self defense method that relies on physical prowess to fight off stronger attackers, or a self defense method that involves the ability to point and wiggle a finger?
Image originally posted on The High Road... although we'll admit that even though we agree with the sentiment here, it's more of a "low road" kind of image
Look, we realize this topic is going to rustle some jimmies. That's great, we're happy to do so. If you don't think Firearms are a valid part of Martial Arts training but you think wearing ancient Japanese sleepwear is, we're happy to beat you about the mind-nuts with the Stick of Reality. So go ahead, foam at the mouth about the subject of Gun Control if you'd like; especially if you want to decry violence.
Because, if you're reading this, you probably consider yourself a martial artist in some respect. And once it sinks in how much of a hypocrite you are for spending time learning how to hurt other people, we'll be standing by to mop up the remains of either your blown mind, or projectile-vomited integrity.
And because we felt your jimmies might not be sufficiently rustled...
Posted On:11/04/2013 9:03pm
Style: judo hiatus
Good stuff Phrost.
Good to be living in a country wherein ownership is a right.
Carter Hargrave's Jeet Can't Do
Posted On:11/04/2013 11:15pm
Originally Posted by Phrost
If you're training in combat arts without even a marginal awareness of firearms, let alone their use, you need to at least be aware that the entire scope of your training is only relevant due to a vast infrastructure of law enforcement and other social constructs.
Word. It's nice to hear this point articulated so clearly and succinctly.
Posted On:11/05/2013 6:56am
Style: TKD, CMA & American Kenpo
Firearms are an integral part of personal and home defense. We do tend to overlook that aspect from time to time. Being able to eye-poke, arm-bar or choke someone who is trying to kill me isn't usually my best option.
I MIGHT be able to thwart an attack by taking a good stance and squaring off; or it may just make then want to try me.
I KNOW that I could stop an attack by drawing my (concealed) Glock 23 and going to low-ready; unless the guy has a death-wish, he is going to back the **** up.
Fear and bullets.
Posted On:11/05/2013 8:18am
Either you are training to fight, or you are training to play. Both are fine, both are relevant. But don't lie to yourself about which one you are doing.
You don't have to love guns to be aware of what they are and what they do. You don't have to join the NRA to own one and train in its use. If you strip away all the emotional baggage attached to firearms, you are left with a powerful self-defense tool; and nothing more.
Excluding them from the scope of your training means excluding the single biggest equalizer of force available to the modern person. How is that a good idea?
Hell. I weigh 225, and I am at this point probably one of the physically strongest posters on this site. I was a competitive judoka for ten years and spent 4 years boxing and 3 in MMA.
A 135lb 14-year old with a 40-year-old 25cal automatic (at a cost of about 75 bucks) could beat me handily. I don't have to like it, but if I want to train for the real world, I have to be aware of it. This doesn't invalidate my other training, but it sure puts it in perspective.
And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".
--Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.
His heart was visible, and the dismal sack that maketh excrement of what is eaten.
Posted On:11/05/2013 10:37am
I definitely don't understand why anyone would not want to own a firearm. Hell, aside from the practical reasons it's way more fun and way less embarrassing than Krav Maga.
I have seen many, many new shooters in my lifetime. I have never once seen a person go shooting for the first time and say, "Man, that really sucks!"
Posted On:11/05/2013 11:11am
Originally Posted by Devil
I have never once seen a person go shooting for the first time and say, "Man, that really sucks!"
Neither have I. Everyone I've ever taken to the range has come away with a smile on their face. My son got to like a lot and now its one of the things we do together when he visits.
One unfortunate situation is the comparative lack of civilian firearm training facilities as opposed to schools for training in other MAs. Granted firearms training -- at least beyond a simple 1 hr. safety course -- requires more space and equipment than your typical MA school, but for anything more than just a shooting range I find that I have to drive quite a ways. The right to bear arms would be more meaningful and rewarding if there were more opportunities for the citizenry to learn how to bear them without shooting themselves.
Posted On:11/05/2013 11:56am
Style: judo, boxing - n00b
Hello! ('OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!' - t3h community)
I must say, if I'd feel threatened I'd probably also buy a gun, but...
I do not yet live in a gang infested state. I totally understand that in a land where you must take serious violence in consideration firearm is probably a must.
Now I know some or even most of you will not believe me, but years ago in socialist republic we didn't even lock doors when we were outside (yes, we had pluming, television, two cars, food,... and plenty of valuables to take from our house), but I lived in a small village. In the city, we probably would.
Then the old state went KA-BOOM when I was still a child. It surprised me, how fast guns and ammo found way inside our country. For example the army stripped our territorial units of heavy equipment, and TO found that armbrusts are not effective against M-48, the next thing I noticed was them packing fagot missiles. Where there's demand and suppliers, there's no problem at all.
So... now the crisis hit us along with failed transition when everyone thought about country as his loot. And loot they did. It will sound melodramatic, but with the escalating social crisis the crime also boomed.
Still I do not feel threatened. I live behind fire/break proof door, so house invasion is out of the question, as windows in the flat are secured as well. Our house is also pretty sturdy and perhaps a Stafford or a Pit will be added (you don't need to cock a pitbull, he's all cocked at the wrong people) if we'll feel like it.
Shooting is great fun, I was shooting a lot with crossbows, bows, air and CO2 guns, shot friends with airsoft (we could have a drink later, which would be hard, if we used real AR-15), there are shooting ranges where you can let it go with wide selection of their civil and military guns,.... (the only gun I probably still can assemble and disassemble is good old Kalashnikov)
But than one day I just lost interest.
There will always be crooks with better weapons and superior training (zetas,... I heard that gang members also enter army if they can for the training purposes) and ambush options, so until there will be crack cocaine and street gangs here I won't be hasty with buying myself a firearm. First I'll get me and my loved ones shockers, gas, dog,... shotgun comes last. I don't want my fa(m)ily to shoot each other going for midnight snacks.
Oh, and you can own a gun in our state, just laws are a bit restrictive, guns are overpriced, and you need to pass a course and have a safe spot for keeping them in a house.
Last edited by Stickybomb; 11/05/2013 12:01pm at .
Posted On:11/05/2013 12:12pm
I don't give a **** about guns but as long as you know how to handle them responsibly and do it within the limits of the law of your land: Have fun and try not to shoot yourself in the foot.
Curiosity killed the cat. But damn it had a blast.
Posted On:11/05/2013 12:40pm
Originally Posted by Stickybomb
I must say, if I'd feel threatened I'd probably also buy a gun, but...
I do not yet live in a gang infested state.
You do, however live amongst other humans, right?
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