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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister View Post
    Nobody that trains for strength gives a **** about biceps by the way.

    You mentioned biceps specifically twice now.

    Which is either:

    Misleading, because you are using a muscle primarily developed for aesthetics as an example of bulk (not all bulk is for looks)

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    Kind of reinforces my opinion that you are inexperienced when it comes to strength training.

    Like my football coach used to say: "curls are for the girls".

    I'm not sure what Boydy83 is arguing. Are you arguing for or against weight lifting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alex View Post
    have you even heard of weight classes? if you get bigger, you have to go up weight classes and why would you do that, the tradeoff isnt worth it. unless you are overreem.
    Mike Tyson. As a short person I am very biased towards the advantages the shorter person can have in a fight. I know most people try to be the big guy at a lower weight when they compete, but I would argue that it is more effective to go up in weight class with more muscle.
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    You know what combat sport doesn't have weight classes? Professional sumo. Sure, they have a shitty record when it comes to MMA, but as a sport it does show the value of size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legomepanda View Post
    Mike Tyson. As a short person I am very biased towards the advantages the shorter person can have in a fight. I know most people try to be the big guy at a lower weight when they compete, but I would argue that it is more effective to go up in weight class with more muscle.
    Hm. I don't know about that. Being shorter and going up a weight class would put you up against people with some decent reach advantages. I've fought guys with decent reach advantages and it was frustrating as hell. I would think it is a way, but not the most effective way.
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    Now that we've established that strength is good for you:



    Holy **** you guys. 263 kilos on a barely 90 kilo kid.

    He sure as **** ain't "bulky" either.
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    I am the first one to admit that I am not doing any weight training. (Exept for heavy weapons and rolling with heavy people in BJJ class). I was always told that weight lifting only "pumps" the muscles up and bullshit like that so I never bothered with it. Plus i never seemed like much fun. (Though my current schedule actually served pretty well for building muscle mass, so I wonder what I could achieve with proper weight training.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seedle Avenger View Post
    Does lifting yourself count...? :l
    I hope so... If pushups/pullups/bodyweight squats don't count...

    Then I don't lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    Hm. I don't know about that. Being shorter and going up a weight class would put you up against people with some decent reach advantages. I've fought guys with decent reach advantages and it was frustrating as hell. I would think it is a way, but not the most effective way.
    there are always outliers. for every 1 mike tyson there are a hundred short stubs who get their nose jabbed off by moderately good taller boxers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy83 View Post
    Never said there the same thing... I said I agreed with strength training, I was merely making a point where the last guy said more muscle is better....
    More muscle is always better. Because if you train right more muscle means more potential in almost any fight situation I can think of. Every single one, right down to staying conscious while being choked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy83 View Post
    As for functional strength I use that term for this reason: You do not do bicep curls to increase power in a punch, a Punch is a push so it is triceps that need development, Biceps are for pulling so you dont want to overwork them for the sake of punching, Instead of the temr Functional one could say sport specific I guess
    A punch is a push? Biceps are for pulling?

    Sport specific?

    What the **** are you talking about.
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    I used Biceps as an example as you yourself mentionend bulking not strength training, Which leads me to believe you punch like a girl... Im all for strength training It did wonders for Bruce Lee, But if you want to be a "fighter" Im saying you dont want to be huge, Now last time I checked Strength training done properly will not make you big. Alot has been taken way out of context here
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