6/27/2013 10:49pm, #1
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- Sep 2008
Is Kesa Gatame worth developing for BJJ?
I get Stephan Kesting's mail outs and he talks about Kesa Gatame being underutilized in BJJ.
What do the rest of you think?
If you agree what are some good ways to go in terms of making it a part of my game?
6/27/2013 11:48pm, #2
I play kesa quite a lot, although I learned it more from a CACC style base. Initially I learned a sequence from Marc Mcfann and later polished it a bit. Now with that said I tend to "crank" a lot in kesa, and it BJJ that will get you called out and possibly DQ'd
Erik Paulson has some solid material on it
6/28/2013 2:15am, #3
I am not a big fan of it for BJJ or MMA. Unless you're exceptionally comfortable from that position, chances are good your opponent's back-taking skills are going to be better than your scarf-holding skills.The fool thinks himself immortal,
If he hold back from battle;
But old age will grant him no truce,
Even if spears spare him.
6/28/2013 7:37am, #4
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- Nov 2012
- Edinburgh, UK
I've had some success with it while rolling. Works well for me as a pin, but I definitely prefer side mount for either transitioning or tapping a guy.
6/28/2013 9:12am, #5
it's a lot safer with a gi on, as far as getting your back taken goes, but you still have to watch out.
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6/28/2013 10:22am, #6
Are we talking all forms, or just Hon Kesa Gatame, the standard hold the head version?Falling for Judo since 1980
6/28/2013 10:28am, #7
6/28/2013 10:34am, #8
It's actually a staple position for us. Some BJJ schools have a hard time dealing with it because they haven't been exposed to it enough. So if you don't like it drill it anyway so you know how to counter it if you have someone who does know how to use it.
6/28/2013 10:47am, #9
6/28/2013 10:51am, #10
It's a stable pin, but a bit of a dead end positionally if the guy doesn't fall for the subs from there. That said, I've seen good BJJ guys who aren't that familiar with it get caught out, YMMV.