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    I hate to be a douchenozzle on this, but nitpicking in the social sciences is a must for experimental design and interpretation. There are too many things going on in the social sciences to truly isolate the things you are interested it by doing things in a half-assed manner. If you chose to you could work on correlating the smiles with the betting odds and call the paper, "The Odds Are Against You? Smile."
    I am very aware of that point (the half-assed manner etc.). I know it is crucial and seldom worth a second look.
    Nils was first to use the word, where I responded to that critique-point:

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    @Homernoid

    Still, nitpicking of other people's studies is the cornerstone of empirical science.

    This, for example, is a good point.

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    A vet told me, a while back, that recent animal research indicates a closed-mouthed smile, in mammals (including primates) shows a wish to either play or co-operate---while a show-the-teeth grin is supposed to be a warning.

    So...you've been warned: the grinning person may be about to bite you.
    To me, the study suffers on bad variable-choices. It almost seems, the authors have no clue on diffrent meanings of smiles, so they picked the intensity of smile - whatever this may be - an something worth of being meassured.
    To be perfectly honest, all those things they obviously missed, hold vague, or just backup with difficult statisical operations for little gain, nearly help to give an inpression what's really behind this thing.
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    We're actually arguing about smiles. Wow! Certainly there must be something more interesting to discuss. Or perhaps I am the one who put the turd in the punch bowl.
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    Certainly there must be something more interesting to discuss.
    Patience. We haven't even finished arguing about what we're supposed to be arguing about, turd.
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    While this is still just a stepping stone--and could have done with a little bit better editing: "this should be studied further
    examined"; this is a fairly interesting read on people's ability to determine the sincerity of a smile.

    http://www.drspeg.com/research/2013/sinceresmiles.pdf

    There was another one I read on one's perception of smiles through a service on a school computer. I'll try and dig up a copy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atheistmantis View Post
    Certainly there must be something more interesting to discuss. Or perhaps I am the one who put the turd in the punch bowl.
    Smile.

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    Here we go, relevant article raising serious questions about Ekman's work:

    An important question continued to nag Barrett. What was the best way to determine the emotions that people are feeling? The therapist in her wanted to use the information to help her patients; her inner researcher just wanted the answer. So she dove into the emotion literature, and what she found surprised her. After reviewing all of the studies she could find, she realized that, statistically speaking, the best that scientists of emotion could do was to determine whether someone was feeling good or bad.

    For Barrett, that wasn’t good enough. So she kept looking. She signed up for a physiology and cardiovascular training fellowship, to learn how to measure physiological indicators herself. And then something shocking happened. She returned to those famous cross-cultural studies that had launched Ekman’s career—and found that they were less than watertight. The problem was the options that Ekman had given his subjects when asking them to identify the emotions shown on the faces they were presented with. Those options, Barrett discovered, had limited the ways in which people allowed themselves to think.

    Barrett explained the problem to me this way: “I can break that experiment really easily, just by removing the words. I can just show you a face and ask how this person feels. Or I can show you two faces, two scowling faces, and I can say, ‘Do these people feel the same thing?’ And agreement drops into the toilet.”

    This exposed a fatal flaw in Ekman’s work as far as Barrett was concerned. “I mean, think about it,” she said. “When was the last time that you saw somebody win an Academy Award for going like this with fear”—at which point she mimicked for me the face in Edvard Munch’s The Scream.
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    Language and culture apparently have a lot to do with how emotions are perceived. For instance, in some Asian cultures, people tend to be more community-minded and care what others' perceptions of them are; and as such, they tend to have more/differing words to describe emotions than your typical Western individual brought up in a society promoting individualism.

    Can anybody attest to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by itwasntme View Post
    Language and culture apparently have a lot to do with how emotions are perceived. For instance, in some Asian cultures, people tend to be more community-minded and care what others' perceptions of them are; and as such, they tend to have more/differing words to describe emotions than your typical Western individual brought up in a society promoting individualism.

    Can anybody attest to this?
    Yes, people are generally deluded. Much like the authors of the original study.

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