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    Quote Originally Posted by Wing-Kwan-Fu View Post
    The Anvil similes, the Hammer metaphors.

    I have noticed that people tend to smile during a fight mostly after getting hit. My analysis was that it was a show of toughness and bravado, and so while not necessarily indicative of mental weakness or "submissiveness", it tended to be displayed more by losing fighters. Counterpoint: Wandy.
    I've been told not to smile when hit, because that's another form of acknowledgement that their hit affected you, which you don't want to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    I've been told not to smile when hit, because that's another form of acknowledgement that their hit affected you, which you don't want to do.
    Unless you start the fight grinning all the time like a lunatic. In that case, not smiling would indicate a change in your demeanor.
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    Really folks, you are doing far more of it, than it obviously is.

    What I like on that study is the authors to take the staredown into attention, what IMO is a fairly ritualised setting. So there are some chances for significant results. Propably not within this tiny study/article, but that's fine with me. The idea is nice, there is not so much on that topic everyday, at least not in comparrison with marketing, consumer study, gender, etc.

    Of course there are shallow points in that study. Frankly you may find some in nearly every study.

    Sure, numbers are not that high, at least they had enough to use percentage.

    The study is not the last call? Seriously, what have you expected? Pilosopher's Stone? RLY?

    They call it science, thats why the repeat it, all over and again. Science very well mean: Try, fail, try again, fail better.
    Working it out yourself is intended.

    The only strong point I worry on that study is the lack of a winning system for sportsbook. But I understand, whoever finds that won't publish it. So I am fine with that. RLY, one f..ing study and some shitty title and so much fuzz about it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homernoid View Post
    Of course there are shallow points in that study. Frankly you may find some in nearly every study.

    Sure, numbers are not that high, at least they had enough to use percentage.

    The study is not the last call? Seriously, what have you expected? Pilosopher's Stone? RLY?

    They call it science, thats why the repeat it, all over and again. Science very well mean: Try, fail, try again, fail better.
    Working it out yourself is intended.
    I get your point, except the part where they're beyond scrutiny cause science. Part of the process is discussing how the process could be done better. Being critical of the last attempt. That's happening here and I don't see any problem with it.
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    @Homernoid

    Don't mistake critique on the study with critique on you. The topic of psychological domincance and its effects is very interesting, but also very complex. To tackle it in a conclusive and scientific manner would take a huge amount of data (to eliminate all the other variables).
    It would be nice if the guys who created the study would get some proper funding for further research (which might be their intention; the study seems a bit like it is made to get the means for better research).

    Still, nitpicking of other people's studies is the cornerstone of empirical science.
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    @Homernoid

    Don't mistake critique on the study with critique on you. The topic of psychological domincance and its effects is very interesting, but also very complex. To tackle it in a conclusive and scientific manner would take a huge amount of data (to eliminate all the other variables).
    It would be nice if the guys who created the study would get some proper funding for further research (which might be their intention; the study seems a bit like it is made to get the means for better research).

    Still, nitpicking of other people's studies is the cornerstone of empirical science.
    I agree. However, some smile because they're happy to be where they are at that given moment in their lives.
    Crede quod habes, et habes
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    Quote Originally Posted by atheistmantis View Post
    I agree. However, some smile because they're happy to be where they are at that given moment in their lives.
    And some smile as in Jason "Mayhem" Miller, right before he would get really beat up. At times, smiling is a sign of weakness while a grin can be a show of epic respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    I get your point, except the part where they're beyond scrutiny cause science. Part of the process is discussing how the process could be done better. Being critical of the last attempt. That's happening here and I don't see any problem with it.
    I don't see neither. I would't call it a problem, no semantic-discussion intented. IMO it's just a very small a study - I even tend to regard it as a pre-study, like a first exploration.
    I'm fine with anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by nils View Post
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    Don't mistake critique on the study with critique on you.
    I don't.

    Enjoy nitpicking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homernoid View Post
    Enjoy nitpicking.
    I hate to be a douchenozzle on this, but nitpicking in the social sciences is a must for experimental design and interpretation. There are too many things going on in the social sciences to truly isolate the things you are interested it by doing things in a half-assed manner. If you chose to you could work on correlating the smiles with the betting odds and call the paper, "The Odds Are Against You? Smile."
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    Quote Originally Posted by -TANK- View Post
    And some smile as in Jason "Mayhem" Miller, right before he would get really beat up. At times, smiling is a sign of weakness while a grin can be a show of epic respect.
    A vet told me, a while back, that recent animal research indicates a closed-mouthed smile, in mammals (including primates) shows a wish to either play or co-operate---while a show-the-teeth grin is supposed to be a warning.

    So...you've been warned: the grinning person may be about to bite you.
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