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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    Did anyone else think this was kind of strange? Cause baring teeth isn't always a submissive display; it can be the opposite. It can be "hey bitch, see these pointy motherfuckers in my mouth? Well they're about to puncture the **** outta your hide if you don't stand down."
    You mean something akin to the smiling opponent fighting back?

    How do we know that aggression reflects mental state and not emotional state?
    I'm sorry if I was unclear. I was addressing the fact that the added aggressiveness of the non-smiling fighter was not reported to be due to any emotional surge. Not that it was reported to be the opposite either.

    I was really just trying to clarify that part of the report for those who hadn't read it but were reading the thread.
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    I was really just trying to clarify ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    Did anyone else think this was kind of strange? Cause baring teeth isn't always a submissive display; it can be the opposite. It can be "hey bitch, see these pointy motherfuckers in my mouth? Well they're about to puncture the **** outta your hide if you don't stand down."
    Yet amongst humans a smile is pretty much a universal gesture of friendliness, and a joke is a common way to break the tension of an escalating situation
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    Quote Originally Posted by itwasntme View Post
    You mean something akin to the smiling opponent fighting back?
    I mean that baring teeth can be a dominance display, the opposite of a submission display.

    I was addressing the fact that the added aggressiveness of the non-smiling fighter was not reported to be due to any emotional surge.
    -Can you define "added aggressiveness" of the non-smiling fighter?
    -"added aggressiveness" was probably not reported to be due to any emotional surge because how the hell would you quantify that?
    -You haven't done any studies to show that the added aggressiveness (?) was due to an emotional surge, just like they haven't studied that its not.

    Not that it was reported to be the opposite either.
    So its probably outside the scope of the article.

    I was really just trying to clarify that part of the report for those who hadn't read it but were reading the thread.
    **** those guys. I don't see any need to accommodate people in a thread about an article they can't be bothered to read.

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    Yet amongst humans a smile is pretty much a universal gesture of friendliness
    That's why people inadvertently piss off certain animals by staring at them with a smile.
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    Well Doof, time to test out your theory. Go to a zoo, climb into a cage of a silverback, and give him a nice long smile. Don't forget to show your teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquil Suit View Post
    Well Doof, time to test out your theory. Go to a zoo, climb into a cage of a silverback, and give him a nice long smile. Don't forget to show your teeth.
    What theory is that T-it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    I mean that baring teeth can be a dominance display, the opposite of a submission display.
    Could it not be passive aggressive? eg "I don't want trouble, but I'll stand my ground"?

    What you added was pretty much what Ignoscant already quoted, that this can't be quantified by this research. A smile could still mean different things from person to person, context to context.

    My wording was poor when I mentioned "added aggression". I was referring to the suggested higher levels of aggression in the non-smiling fighter.
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    It's not a horrible paper but the fact that they failed to differentiate between Duchenne and non-Duchenne smiles in their analysis sucks. That they didn't draw more attention to the fact that very few of the smiles they were examing were genuine smiles while continuing to call it smile intensity is even worse.

    Of course, they can't be blamed for what the popular media does with their work.
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