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  1. itwasntme is online now
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    Did anyone else think this was kind of strange? Cause baring teeth isn't always a submissive display; it can be the opposite. It can be "hey bitch, see these pointy motherfuckers in my mouth? Well they're about to puncture the **** outta your hide if you don't stand down."
    You mean something akin to the smiling opponent fighting back?

    How do we know that aggression reflects mental state and not emotional state?
    I'm sorry if I was unclear. I was addressing the fact that the added aggressiveness of the non-smiling fighter was not reported to be due to any emotional surge. Not that it was reported to be the opposite either.

    I was really just trying to clarify that part of the report for those who hadn't read it but were reading the thread.
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    i really think that those who can't get their head around the bowing thing (because their angry sky daddy will punish them) don't deserve judo. life is full of choices, and if your bronze age superstitions are holding you back, so be it.
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    I was really just trying to clarify ...
    You're the last person who should attempt anything of the sort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itwasntme View Post
    You mean something akin to the smiling opponent fighting back?
    I mean that baring teeth can be a dominance display, the opposite of a submission display.

    I was addressing the fact that the added aggressiveness of the non-smiling fighter was not reported to be due to any emotional surge.
    -Can you define "added aggressiveness" of the non-smiling fighter?
    -"added aggressiveness" was probably not reported to be due to any emotional surge because how the hell would you quantify that?
    -You haven't done any studies to show that the added aggressiveness (?) was due to an emotional surge, just like they haven't studied that its not.

    Not that it was reported to be the opposite either.
    So its probably outside the scope of the article.

    I was really just trying to clarify that part of the report for those who hadn't read it but were reading the thread.
    **** those guys. I don't see any need to accommodate people in a thread about an article they can't be bothered to read.

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    Yet amongst humans a smile is pretty much a universal gesture of friendliness
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    Well Doof, time to test out your theory. Go to a zoo, climb into a cage of a silverback, and give him a nice long smile. Don't forget to show your teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    I mean that baring teeth can be a dominance display, the opposite of a submission display.
    Could it not be passive aggressive? eg "I don't want trouble, but I'll stand my ground"?

    What you added was pretty much what Ignoscant already quoted, that this can't be quantified by this research. A smile could still mean different things from person to person, context to context.

    My wording was poor when I mentioned "added aggression". I was referring to the suggested higher levels of aggression in the non-smiling fighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    i really think that those who can't get their head around the bowing thing (because their angry sky daddy will punish them) don't deserve judo. life is full of choices, and if your bronze age superstitions are holding you back, so be it.
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    It's not a horrible paper but the fact that they failed to differentiate between Duchenne and non-Duchenne smiles in their analysis sucks. That they didn't draw more attention to the fact that very few of the smiles they were examing were genuine smiles while continuing to call it smile intensity is even worse.

    Of course, they can't be blamed for what the popular media does with their work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquil Suit View Post
    I'd agree with this in a fight, but not so much in sparring.





    During sparring, I've noticed that those who occasionnally smile are the ones that are levels better than me.

    Grinning motherfuckers.
    I was just making the connection to the "you fight how you train" stuff. It helped me focus, smiling could end in me goofing off a bit sometimes so training it out of me during the time I am meant to be serious was required. Especially when I am training for a fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itwasntme View Post
    Could it not be passive aggressive? eg "I don't want trouble, but I'll stand my ground"?
    Could be a lot of things. Thus my initial complaint that they said plainly that baring teeth is a submissive display.
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    This tiger shows his teeth, almost seems friendly right?

    He's most likely communicating to this girl "if this cage wasn't here I'd be eating you and your family, right now".

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