6/10/2013 2:08pm, #21
I have heard the saying that all this does is buld a "bigger haystack"..making finding the needle more difficult. What we need are people better at finding needles vs people to pile on more hay.
6/10/2013 3:00pm, #22
It is much harder to fake fingerprints yet, we hear of cross contamination of DNA yearly.
6/10/2013 3:11pm, #23
This was reported in 2006.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/de...ed.theobserver"Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
6/10/2013 4:09pm, #24
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All along, the argument for the Patriot Act has been that it won't be abused, not that it can't. And in light of history, that's a really, really stupid argument. Abuse of power is the natural result of power. You don't give government a power unless you are prepared for the eventuality of that power being abused.
6/10/2013 11:24pm, #25
Today's report on Democracy Now! gets in depth with interviews with Snowden and the others: http://www.democracynow.org/ MONDAY, JUNE 10, 2013"Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
6/11/2013 9:35am, #26
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If idiots have this kind of power, shouldn't I be just as afraid if not more so?
6/11/2013 12:03pm, #27
I remember Pen&Teller did a good bullshit episode about big brother. The point was that the government is still ran by humans, and humans can't be trusted. If I remember correctly two of the three people they hired to use a camera van decided to tape the people fucking next door to their target, even though they were told in advance that they only had the legal right to tape the target. The government is like any organization there are some bad apples, just as with any large group of people. You also must consider that power regardless of its intent will always corrupt. There needs to be a balance more than just the current "trust us" mentality.
6/11/2013 3:51pm, #28
Woolwich Murder of Drummer Rigby (off-duty). The 2 murderers waited until the Police arrived and then attacked them. I infer that they were seeking 'martyrdom' or as you say, "suicide by cop".
This seems to be the trend here in the UK by these extremist Muslim groups. The initial bombing of our Underground trains, included the suicides of the bombers, including one on the bus - who had become separated from the others.
The second (unrelated) group sought to do precisely the same on 7/7 but their home made explosives proved faulty. Oddly when the police tracked them down at home, they elected to surrender...
The Madrid group when surrounded by the Spanish police, committed suicide by detonating their explosives - probably with the hope of taking innocents with them.
On the topic of Intelligence, simply put, there is probably too much of it hence the use of keywords to filter. Even then, there are probably insufficient analysts.
6/11/2013 4:11pm, #29
Here's why this is a bad thing, in idiotically simple terms.
In the 1960's, the FBI conducted surveillance on Martin Luther King Jr., who they considered to be a dissident and communist sympathizer, to discredit him. They broke into and staked out his hotel rooms, they wiretapped his phones, and they did everything they could to dig up dirt on him.
Once they had the dirt, they attempted to use the dirt (his extra-marital affairs) to pressure him to kill himself, or at least, be silent.
King did not. He persisted. He helped achieve civil rights for an entire race of people.
Think that's only in the 60's?
That brought down the head of the CIA who'd been a vocal opponent of some people in the national security infrastructure.
Unlike in the past, when it was prohibitively expensive to conduct surveillance on individuals, it's ridiculously easy and relatively cheap to do it on everyone. This information is being gathered on all Americans. How likely are you to stand up to the pressure, vs. how likely are you to just keep your head down and limit your participation in the democratic process?