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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post

    Military prisons are different, but not in a lot of ways. I worked with a bunch of guys who were in the army reserves. All of them got called up and worked prisons in the middle east while all this was going on. They said that the prisons were not run significantly different than how we run them here.
    Except for the excesses of Abu Graib.

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    It looks like there's a new guy in the crosshairs now and his name is Snowden. Although my thought on his "breaking news" is no fucking ****. Who the hell at this point wouldn't think that big brother is spying on their phone calls and emails?? Did we really need a "leak" for that story??
    That's not what the leak was about. It was about the partnership between Government and specific technology companies to turn over all your private data to be archived by the NSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    Military prisons are different, but not in a lot of ways. I worked with a bunch of guys who were in the army reserves. All of them got called up and worked prisons in the middle east while all this was going on. They said that the prisons were not run significantly different than how we run them here.

    Also this guy is subject to the UCMJ as well as U.S. law. I think it is safe to say he is going to prison for a long long time.
    First off, I agree. He's probably going away for a long time, but I'm not sure he should. This bothers me on several levels that I won't get into right now.

    I should caveat that I was referring to stateside military prisons. I have nothing good to say overall about prisons run by our military overseas except that the MP units in charge of the ones I dealt with stuck by our recommendations as intelligence/interrogation teams to the best of their ability excluding extenuating circumstances. In my opinion the biggest problem was that release authority was relegated to their command, which is a clear conflict of interest since number of detainees is a sure bullet point on an officer's OER.

    Secondly, things may or may not have changed, but generally I was not impressed with the performance of reservists in general and intel and MP reservists in specific while I was deployed. My perceptions are likely biased as all hell, but there they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wetware View Post
    In my opinion the biggest problem was that release authority was relegated to their command, which is a clear conflict of interest since number of detainees is a sure bullet point on an officer's OER.
    Yeah, also a big problem was that they put a bunch of PMs in the prisons with no real correctional training. One of my buddies said he worked with a bunch of people who had never been in a prison before they were stationed there. So you had a bunch of new cocks trying to run a prison. They were new cocks, despite having military rank. A bunch of these reservists were working in places like walmart before being called up, sent over seas, and then told to work in a prison. That's a recipe for failure.


    Quote Originally Posted by wetware View Post
    Secondly, things may or may not have changed, but generally I was not impressed with the performance of reservists in general and intel and MP reservists in specific while I was deployed. My perceptions are likely biased as all hell, but there they are
    I know a few really good cops and correctional officers that got called up. But I know a lot more that were in the reserves just for the benefits and tried to do everything they could think of to keep from getting called up, including faking injuries.

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    There's a significant difference between failing to follow an order and violating several laws. Your argument is irrelevant.



    For example, when Eichmann ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann) was brought to trial, the court was amazed, that they were prosecuting just a bureaucrat, who just followed orders and did his best to make things go smoothly. He probably just played along the current laws.
    So turning blind eye on killing, raping, torturing civilians for fun, without a solid cause,... is okay? Should all armies have free hands to do whatever they want?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickybomb View Post
    submessenger wrote:
    There's a significant difference between failing to follow an order and violating several laws. Your argument is irrelevant.



    For example, when Eichmann ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann) was brought to trial, the court was amazed, that they were prosecuting just a bureaucrat, who just followed orders and did his best to make things go smoothly. He probably just played along the current laws.
    So turning blind eye on killing, raping, torturing civilians for fun, without a solid cause,... is okay? Should all armies have free hands to do whatever they want?
    Really? Godwin in under 40 posts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    Really? Godwin in under 40 posts?
    Doesn't answer the question, Mr.Messenger.

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    Doesn't answer the question, Mr.Messenger.
    Perhaps a comparison to ancient Rome would be more appropriate? We're discussing US law and US military orders, here, not Nazi Germany.

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