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    Quote Originally Posted by wetware View Post
    He's spent nearly three years in solitary-- "under duress" to me.
    Yes and there are thousand of cases arguing this right now. Don't get me wrong, it is terrible, but I've known, read and watched stories of people waiting 3-6 years for trials. Some of these people have been in "solitary", so I guess I just shake my head now. Speedy trials only happen, when you have a ton of money or the crime is so heinous they want things out of the media.

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    how does someone make it thru basic training without realizing the government owns them for the duration of their enlistment?

    and i don't mean this in a govt/military is evil sort of way. i mean it from the pov that when you enlist you are working for the govt and THEY get to make the rules by which you must abide.

    it defies common sense that Manning thought it would be "ok" to send information - any information - to an outside organization. what did he think was gonna happen? the army was gonna thank him for sending classified info out to the world?

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    "Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez

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    It looks like there's a new guy in the crosshairs now and his name is Snowden. Although my thought on his "breaking news" is no fucking ****. Who the hell at this point wouldn't think that big brother is spying on their phone calls and emails?? Did we really need a "leak" for that story??

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    He was beholden to his conscience. He did what he felt was right in spite of knowing the consequences. That's what I would call courage. Yes, he disobeyed an order. However, would you comply with an order than you felt to be morally and ethically wrong?

    The 'just following orders' defense was not accepted elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faixabranca View Post
    He was beholden to his conscience. He did what he felt was right in spite of knowing the consequences. That's what I would call courage. Yes, he disobeyed an order. However, would you comply with an order than you felt to be morally and ethically wrong?

    The 'just following orders' defense was not accepted elsewhere.
    There's a significant difference between failing to follow an order and violating several laws. Your argument is irrelevant.

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    An unjust law is no law. -St. Augustine

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    Quote Originally Posted by faixabranca View Post
    An unjust law is no law. -St. Augustine
    Perhaps you'd care to point out the unjust laws he violated.

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    The ones which prevented him from speaking out against what he felt was wrong. The ones which would have him continue to do these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wetware View Post
    He's spent nearly three years in solitary confinement before any kind of trial. I'm no legal expert but that sounds a lot like "under duress" to me.
    Might that also be due to the fact that Gen Pop might look to shank him for rep, cigs, and first choice of new fish?

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