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    Clean rattan breaks?



    A while back, I saw something I've never seen before: my teacher was demonstrating a sayaw (form) and there's a move where you hit the ground with your stick, and his stick broke in half, right along one of the nodes. Has anyone else seen this? Is it more common than I think?

    The conventional wisdom is that rattan sticks are better for training because they don't break as dangerously as other sticks, which is something I've seen happen. Rattan generally deteriorates into a more fiberous form, like a bound-together broom, so it doesn't end up with sharp edges and/or splinters. But seeing that one crack like that got me wondering how often that stuff happens.

    I believe it was a fairly old olisi he was using. He's an old guy and doesn't exactly go through a lot of sticks doing power drills these days, so who knows how long he's been using the same one.
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    Never seen it myself. I could imagine it happening though, it's the only part of the stick where the fibrous structure is somewhat interupted.

    FWIW, a comon wisdom among my scholl was "more nodes = better stick", but this was based on the higher density and weight of really lumpy rattan and not on any acual torture testing. It's quite possible that we were way wrong about that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Machette View Post
    FWIW, a comon wisdom among my scholl was "more nodes = better stick", but this was based on the higher density and weight of really lumpy rattan and not on any acual torture testing. It's quite possible that we were way wrong about that...
    I've heard this same sentiment from my teacher.
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    I have had clean breaks on a couple of pieces of rattan. One of them was from a stick that probably got overdried when I was trying to reshape it from the curve that it came with.

    I live in a pretty arid environment and I had another break during sparring when the stick wound up being braced against my sparring partners hip as his late block struck the stick. I don't believe that was at a node though.
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    Only once for me, and that was back around 1990 or so - someone handed me a rattan staff, and it was really whippy. I took it by one end, and snapped it like a whip, and it broke clean in half.
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    I'm also getting the feeling that it must just have been a really dry old stick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    I've heard this same sentiment from my teacher.
    As have I...

    So I just bought a Cold Steel stick & stopped paying for rattan.
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    I nearly broke a stick in half once, it was weird there was a clean break more than half way through the stick, almost like someone cut it with a saw. It was one of those very light sticks with a sanded and varnished finish,i couldn't tell you if the break was at a node or not. It happened during sparring. Also, where did you get that pick in the op permalost? Pretty sure i know that guy.
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    Saw it happen once, but it was a very light stick, with no skin and decorative patterns burned onto it. It was a clean shear, with only a few fibers on the back still keeping the top of the stick attached.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander View Post
    As have I...

    So I just bought a Cold Steel stick & stopped paying for rattan.
    One of my training partners broke his; they sometimes have air pockets in them and aren't as indestructible as they claim. If you poke around FMA forums it seems to have happened to several folks.

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    where did you get that pick in the op permalost? Pretty sure i know that guy.
    I just grabbed it from Photobucket under "eskrima".
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