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    Quote Originally Posted by Gluckmann View Post
    I always figured that grappling was a little bit more theory-transferable than striking.
    I mean, if I read a book on punching it's not going to make me any faster or more accurate; whereas watching Karo Parisyan sure as hell helped me in the clinch.

    At the end of the day, I think just seeing a guillotine a few times is probably enough to show you how to do it against someone who's never been in such a choke before.
    I think untrained people tend to put their head in danger of a guillotine when clinching if they've never been put in one before. So, its the other guy's screw up too. In a striking example, I'm sure an untrained boxing enthusiast would have a decent chance of knocking out a guy who holds his fists at waist level and sticks his chin out while windmilling.

    Regarding the guillotine/front headlock, a lot of people intuitively apply it by taking the same side arm and wrapping it around the head, rather than using the other hand to pull the head under the opposite arm. The former is easily resisted and/or countered, and someone with a little experience will use the opportunity to take the back.
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    Untrained people can get a rudimentary idea of how to choke/neck hug/restrain other untrained people by watching MMA. Before he started training, Joe Lauzon used to choke out his friends in backyard wrestling just by imitating what he saw in the UFC videos he had. Hell, I killed my little brother back in the day with a standing guillotine I learned from Ken Shamrock's book.

    Joint locks are another matter, however:

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    What actually happened in that video? My eyesight is kind of funny and the shaky cam really screws with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereus View Post
    What actually happened in that video? My eyesight is kind of funny and the shaky cam really screws with it.
    The dude with the dreads had him in a pro wrestling style arm wrench:

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    Ah thanks, I'll watch it again and look out for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holy Moment View Post
    Untrained people can get a rudimentary idea of how to choke/neck hug/restrain other untrained people by watching MMA. Before he started training, Joe Lauzon used to choke out his friends in backyard wrestling just by imitating what he saw in the UFC videos he had. Hell, I killed my little brother back in the day with a standing guillotine I learned from Ken Shamrock's book.

    Yeah this is pretty much what I was getting at. Any moron can tap out another moron once he's seen a RNC a few times.
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    I like to learn by just watching


    I dislike when people call it UFC moves. My buddies for example - "wow look at that UFC move!"





    I like girls who watch UFC but don't know anything about MMA and only care about UFC

    it turns me on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hashiramas View Post
    I like to learn by just watching

    I dislike when people call it UFC moves. My buddies for example - "wow look at that UFC move!"
    I train UFC. It's the best martial art in the world.

    BRB: gonna go change my style field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKRhino View Post
    Sort of...but not really
    It's been observed here before--people who have trained properly forget that "sort of...but not really" can be ridiculously effective against untrained adversaries.
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    Front headlock is pretty easy to figure out as is applying a quasi RNC. I remember "learning submissions" by watching WWE/WWF back in the day.

    Unfortunately if you don't train you become this guy.
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