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    Quote Originally Posted by Resonance10 View Post
    The more I see of this guy the more I like. people have said to me that there are similarities between Xingyi and WC and tbh I have been a bit offended because I have not seen anything WC does that I could relate to. Watching this I see stuff I recognise.
    That's more boxing than chun. His stuff is mixed and that isn't a bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Great video.

    This type of good Chun thread needs the right bad video counterweight to help illuminate the contrast.

    I found this one, "Wing Chun vs. Any Style".

    Quote Originally Posted by Resonance10 View Post
    **** that certainly is a contrast! How self deluding and dishonest can you get?
    Wonder what the letters MMA stood for in that vid? Maybe Martial Artist? Maybe My Auntie?
    When a lifelong grappler, whose striking skills are eclipsed by those of a homeless three toed sloth, sits down and watches at supposed MMA guy's performance and notices said guy's complete lack of footwork, there might be a wee bit of a problem.
    Shut the hell up and train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp View Post
    When a lifelong grappler, whose striking skills are eclipsed by those of a homeless three toed sloth, sits down and watches at supposed MMA guy's performance and notices said guy's complete lack of footwork, there might be a wee bit of a problem.
    Exactly. He only had the deadly stumble awkwardly backward secret stepping technique. He seemed oblivious to the esoteric science of the angle offline manouver..perhaps he lost the ancient scrolls.
    He certainly was well trained in folding under the first sign of pressure.
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    Never-mind, I might hurt more feelings.
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    Never-mind, I might hurt more feelings.
    Am intrigued.
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    That's more boxing than chun. His stuff is mixed and that isn't a bad thing.
    What bothered me a little, is that he seems to think wing chun invented counter punching, and that the boxer's head is going to stay there when he is countering a strike, like that is something boxers don't face all the time..Or that if he goes in deep (with no grappling) somehow the boxer is automatically out of his element..like there is no clinching and infighting in boxing...
    Oh and his "don't worry about defending.." yes, that will go well. Just ignore that swift hook coming towards your temple , concentrate at striking his chest..
    I don't know, he seems able for sure , but his oversimplifying how to stop a wrestler from grabbing you, or a boxer from punching you say volumes on his actual fighting experience. IMO.
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    What bothered me a little, is that he seems to think wing chun invented counter punching, and that the boxer's head is going to stay there when he is countering a strike, like that is something boxers don't face all the time..Or that if he goes in deep (with no grappling) somehow the boxer is automatically out of his element..like there is no clinching and infighting in boxing...
    It's a five minute video, with a one minute rant. He constantly says it is all a possibility. He does the same thing all people do, when they think their art is the best. You over emphasize flaws you see and teach counters. Kind of like what you just did. Yes, boxers clinch.Their clinch is nowhere near as good as Sanda or a muay thai clinch. He says he was an amateur boxer as well. Until I find something different, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

    Oh and his "don't worry about defending.." yes, that will go well. Just ignore that swift hook coming towards your temple , concentrate at striking his chest..
    It is no different than a BJJ instructor saying "don't worry about the downward elbow, when you are attempting a shoot." It's context and you are cherry picking his entire point. He is saying if you are going to bridge, bridge, don't worry about defending and other techniques it will change your focus. This is 100% true for dead arts. He's talking to people who do not spar, have no contact experience and generally are terrible. He's catering to his crowd not a boxing students. That is not the same as your implication of "Here comes a right cross,towards your temple, don't worry about defending."
    I don't know, he seems able for sure , but his oversimplifying how to stop a wrestler from grabbing you, or a boxer from punching you say volumes on his actual fighting experience. IMO.
    It is a teaching video. It has to be simplified.
    Quote Originally Posted by Resonance10 View Post
    Am intrigued.
    A nutrider didn't like my post saying, it isn't xingyi it is chun mixed boxing. Basically, I like his concepts, he looks like a great instructor, but his articles are EXTREMELY biased. Let's just say, he'd get reamed if he posted his thoughts on bullshido. This teacher actually posted once in 2010.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erezb View Post
    What bothered me a little, is that he seems to think wing chun invented counter punching, and that the boxer's head is going to stay there when he is countering a strike, like that is something boxers don't face all the time..Or that if he goes in deep (with no grappling) somehow the boxer is automatically out of his element..like there is no clinching and infighting in boxing...
    Oh and his "don't worry about defending.." yes, that will go well. Just ignore that swift hook coming towards your temple , concentrate at striking his chest..
    I don't know, he seems able for sure , but his oversimplifying how to stop a wrestler from grabbing you, or a boxer from punching you say volumes on his actual fighting experience. IMO.
    What was interesting to me wasn't so much of the idea of finding a 'WC solution vs boxing/wrestling', which I think is pretty much impossible, as it was finding ways to connect WC to live fighting.
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    Sorry Erezb, your post is so full of straw I am going to pound on it because you are attributing things to Izzo that simply aren't in his videos.

    Quote Originally Posted by erezb View Post
    What bothered me a little, is that he seems to think wing chun invented counter punching
    Show us where he claimed that.

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    and that the boxer's head is going to stay there when he is countering a strike
    Again, show us where he claimed that. That's not what I heard him say about boxers.

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    Or that if he goes in deep (with no grappling) somehow the boxer is automatically out of his element..like there is no clinching and infighting in boxing...
    Nope, he didn't say that either. Nowhere does he say boxers are ever out of their element, or that they can't deal with the Chun. He also clearly has trained some Western boxing, unless you think the example jabs he shows are weak? They sure don't look weak to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by erezb View Post
    Oh and his "don't worry about defending.." yes, that will go well.
    Again, your ears don't work. That's not what he said at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by erezb View Post
    I don't know, he seems able for sure , but his oversimplifying how to stop a wrestler from grabbing you, or a boxer from punching you say volumes on his actual fighting experience. IMO.
    He's a police officer. I would bet he has more "actual fighting experience" than either of us.

    Then there is this video, which leads me to believe he's much stronger, faster, and skilled than most people critiquing his demo videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    A nutrider didn't like my post saying, it isn't xingyi it is chun mixed boxing. Basically, I like his concepts, he looks like a great instructor, but his articles are EXTREMELY biased. Let's just say, he'd get reamed if he posted his thoughts on bullshido. This teacher actually posted once in 2010.
    I see. Your right and he kinda owns that he is to.

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