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    I feel like you eyeballin' me, dawg!
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    Here is the link for the official announcement.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/d...lwich-incident

    Now, I can tell you this much, these guys didn't have the balls to confront him face to face. They hit him with a car first to incapacitate him and then killed him. It angers me more and more.
    I feel like you eye-bawlin' me, dawg!

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    I train every week, in alive sparring, empty handed versus knife. Because of that, I know that there wasn't **** that one, two, or even three people could have done. I also know, based on my experience that I wouldn't have been able to do anything other than die, unless I had a weapon. And with a weapon, my chances go up, but only depending on what kind of weapon I had. I have spent a long time thinking about this since I saw it on the news yesterday. The only option I can think of would be to leave the scene, try to find a weapon that gave me an advantage, and then return to do something. Empty hand against those knives is a very bad idea, especially if you have no experience against it.

    I feel for the man that they butchered. That's a bad way to go. I hope they get what's coming to them.
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    I'm somewhat numb and angry to my core with this.

    I thought I'd seen pretty much everything. Obviously not.

    I have **** all else to say at the moment.
    "To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".

    ~Ella Wheeler

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    You guys complaining about people just standing around

    1) Even if they tore the two attackers apart, it wouldn't bring that kid back to life
    2) People did engage them and try to talk them into putting their knives down. At least one of these people said that they didn't feel threatened by the guys who had commited the murder
    3) If those guys were killed they would become martyrs. Martyrdom would encourage further attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    I do not know. That's why I am not condemning them. I just do not like the whole filming aspect. Still, like I said earlier, we are a product of our times. People have always stood by, we just have cameras to watch them doing it.
    Fake and I at least agree on this point.

    This voyeuristic culture we've created for ourselves is not only a tool terrorists seem to know how to use, its downright inhumane at times.

    Recently near me, several people have been pushed by crazy people onto train tracks in front of onlookers in New York City. And instead of anyone trying to help them out of the path of the oncoming train, every stands and watches, and worse: someone sits and photographs/films it.

    I would just like to believe that had I been there, I would have lent an arm...a hand...some gesture of mercy.

    On Dec. 3, 58-year-old Ki-Suck Han was shoved in front of a train in Times Square. A photograph of him on the tracks a split second before he was killed was published on the front of the New York Post the next day, causing an uproar and debate over whether the photographer, who had been waiting for a train, should have tried to help him and whether the newspaper should have run the image. Apparently no one else tried to help up Han, either.
    Disturbing to think that there was plenty of time to help the man up, but instead of anyone reacting to save a life, the most effort anyone put into it was to get a picture or video on their phone.

    The Post photo in Tuesday's edition showed Ki-Suck Han with his head turned toward the train, his arms reaching up but unable to climb off the tracks in time.

    The photographer, R. Umar Abbasi, told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

    He said he was shocked that people nearer to the victim didn't try to help in the 22 seconds before the train struck.

    "It took me a second to figure out what was happening ... I saw the lights in the distance. My mind was to alert the train," Abbasi said.
    "The people who were standing close to him ... they could have moved and grabbed him and pulled him up. No one made an effort," he added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    I train every week, in alive sparring, empty handed versus knife. Because of that, I know that there wasn't **** that one, two, or even three people could have done. I also know, based on my experience that I wouldn't have been able to do anything other than die, unless I had a weapon. And with a weapon, my chances go up, but only depending on what kind of weapon I had. I have spent a long time thinking about this since I saw it on the news yesterday. The only option I can think of would be to leave the scene, try to find a weapon that gave me an advantage, and then return to do something. Empty hand against those knives is a very bad idea, especially if you have no experience against it.

    I feel for the man that they butchered. That's a bad way to go. I hope they get what's coming to them.
    Also worth remembering that they had a revolver as well

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    I'm unable to discuss this without saying extremely hateful things about extremists.

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    I've been thinking about this since this morning. There is no way I would voluntarily take on two guys with knives bare handed.

    If a bystander had a car, and they were stupid enough to stand in the road, one could run them over like they did to that poor soldier. But since it took me more then 20 minutes to think that up, I wouldn't have been able to come up with that idea in real time.

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    If I saw a bloody ranting guy with knives in this day and age, I'm not sure I could rule out viral marketing or Internet stunt.

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    I know a number of ppl have commented about the filming of the attack and how they feel about it, and i would like to think i also agree with them,but part of me can't help but be thankful that this has been filmed and given such a wide audience.

    People are talking about it,and thinking about how they would react in a similar situation. It seems much like a terrorist takeover of a plane,ppl just aren't going to sit there and think its going to turn out alright anymore. This situation is similar,ppl are asking themselves "What WOULD i do??" and thats a good thing,because someone just might do something similar again,and the shock value and unexpectedness of it has passed and one of those bystanders just might have seen this video and come up with a solution to "What WOULD i do?".

    Condolences to all the ppl involved and had to witness this horror.

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