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    An immediate injury

    Hello all,

    I have lurked for years on Bullshido, but never posted because I felt like I really shouldn't until I had gone back to training. It took some time, but my reading here finally shamed/encouraged me to start training both fitness and MA again. It has been a few months since I started lifting and cardio, and about a month since I resumed martial arts. I feel very good about finally getting back to training and eating right, except for a fairly serious injury I sustained while checking out BJJ schools. I did my homework, narrowed it down to several schools, and then scheduled time to do trial classes at each. Two of the schools I went to had legit beginners classes where the focus was on very rudimentary mechanics, including falling, but the third instructor claimed he could successfully integrate me into an intermediate class. I liked the vibe in his studio, and the other folks in the class were very nice, but in the very first class he threw me quite hard, and as I it has been many years since I practiced falling properly, I automatically reached out and caught myself on my left arm, elbow locked. My shoulder dislocated badly. Needless to say, I am now training everything at half speed, no takedowns, and I did not go back to his studio. My question, if I have one other than just general bitching and commiseration, is what should I have done differently? Is this just rotten luck, or was there an obvious warning sign I should have looked for here?

    Thanks for the inspiration, even if the most immediate result is a busted shoulder. ;)

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    Welcome to Bullshido.

    A couple of thoughts, here:

    First, you instructor should never have thrown you like that if he knew you weren't capable of handling it.

    On the other hand, if you had any doubts about participating on an elevated level, you should have declined to.

    Last, with alive training comes occasional injury. I've had my share. Learn your limitations, and protect yourself.

    Did you settle on a school, then?

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    I was wondering if perhaps I just didn't effectively communicate my low skill level, but the fact that I was very out of shape should have been apparent. It's disappointing really, because there was at least one training partner in the submission wrestling class at that same school I would have liked to continue training with. Nice person, understanding about my skill level, and a heavyweight like me, though in shape.

    I expected injuries, and I am fairly good at managing them having played American football, but I wasn't quite prepared for such a serious one in my first week back.

    Two schools, one for BJJ/grappling and one for Kyokushin Karate. I would prefer MT for striking, but cannot find a good instructor in my area.

    Edit: Sorry, thanks for the welcome, by the way.

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    Welcome to Bullshido. If you're training at a decent gym, your coach should be able to tell you where you went wrong. Since you mentioned you used to know proper falling, you could probably point it out too (locking out your arm to brace for impact). Of course, knowing intellectually how to fall properly isn't that useful since you won't have time to cross reference your falling files with your safety files during your quick trip to the ground.

    Also, ukemi is used to minimize injury, but being thrown hard can still suck even if you receive it right.

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    Welcome to Bullshido Lurker!

    Yea, that instructor should have had more sense then to throw you that hard (especially if it was your first class). Not much to be done now, just try to be careful and get healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigEvil View Post
    I expected injuries, and I am fairly good at managing them having played American football, but I wasn't quite prepared for such a serious one in my first week back.
    Welcome to Bullshido BigEvil. A couple things I would like to mention even tho they have been touched on.

    1. Yes injuries happen but, you should not "expect" serious injury. In my opinion when a noobie gets hurt it is usually a sign of either poor supervision, poor communication or poor instruction. Things should stay fairly easy easy going for your first few weeks to get a gauge of your physical and mental abilities. I have learned to never take someones experience level by their word, only by their capability. Don't blame yourself to much. The Instructor should have known not to believe you or trust your body to perform correctly...


    2.Kyokushin can produce fighters and students with excellent striking so do not despair unless you wanted to compete in MT or specificly wanted to learn their clinch work. The approach and techniques are different but seem to complement each other well so if you find some MT in the future you should be ok.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    The instructor's job is not only to teach you his martial art, but to do so in a safe environment. Maybe this guy just had a lapse in judgement, or a bad day, but if it were me, I would not be going back there.

    Honestly, he does not sound like someone with who you should be training.

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    Welcome to the Bullshido. Sounds to me like the instructor was trying to be a bad ass and look cool. Try to impress you to get you coming back to his school. That doesn't work well, in my experience. It usually scares people away. I typically try to make people feel safe as the main thing for noobs.

    That being said, we have all had injuries. So here to a quick recovery!
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    Thank you Diesel_tke, jnp, BackFistMonkey, CoffeeFan, Permalost, and Submessenger for the welcome and advice. To your second point BackFist, the Kyokushin dojo I have found is really amazing, and the training sessions have been almost as difficult in terms of strength and conditioning as grappling practice typically is. I didn't really want to compete in MT, just learn some good striking mechanics, and my sensei and training partners at the KK dojo seem like they will do the trick. They all seem really aware of the need to translate the forms and stances into a looser fighting stance eventually, and their live sparring is intense. Thanks again all! Oh, and I did find another place to grapple, though I am still unable to practice any takedowns because of the shoulder. I have an appointment with a specialist next week.

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    Welcome to the site and apols for being late in saying so.
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