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    There's more to come, gents. Still need a little bit of time as I'm trying to do this between working and such. I've got all the e-mail strings as well, but I'm not sure how to post them without exposing all the names of the guys who were duped, and I don't have their permission. If someone is willing to talk me through the process of doing this via Skype at some point, please let me know.
    What you can do is to take screen shots of the emails, open them in Paint and draw a square around other peoples names and delete them or just draw a square around the text in the email and paste into into a new .jpeg image.
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    http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/n...ch_faces_jail/

    For context because it illustrates that people do get found out.

    This guy also ran a supposed security related company and attempted to solicit work and contracts within the UK Security Sector and was bogus.

    Buffett was/is well known within the Close Protection sector for being a walt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scipio View Post
    What you can do is to take screen shots of the emails, open them in Paint and draw a square around other peoples names and delete them or just draw a square around the text in the email and paste into into a new .jpeg image.
    Will do. Thanks.
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    Couple of observations:
    - On the first page it mentions that the ICA is the CQC authority for the Security industry and defence.
    Bogus.

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    How the hell any countries armed forces is going to accept the authority of a small self-styled company in Wales frankly defeats me.
    They don't.

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    Also mentions that the location is used by British SF.
    Ambiguous statement based VERY loosely on the fact that British SF train in and around the Welsh mountains. This information is known publicly and, if you talk to locals they will likely tell you that SF Selection runs in July and January every year. (on that point RIP L/CPL Craig Roberts and his fellow soldier who died recently on one of those very selections)

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    The ICA Survival Exercise is apparently "British Forces Recommended"
    No it won't be, the British Army does not endorse private business ventures. Yes they may contract out to third party specialists, but trust me, our BritFor has numerous fitter, more experienced, far more credible instructors within their own ranks which could, if need be, deliver the subjects and be far more operationally current, than Richard Spencer could ever offer through the ICA

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    - The "secret location" looks like a holiday home/chalet. Wales has lots of them.
    Another ambiguous statement, and one which sets off my alarm bells on so many levels.

    Remember, I work in the sector Spencer attempted to pitched too, his PERSEC alone was compromised on multiple levels not to mention his business reputation was already being dragged through the coals. "Secret location" Really ? I knew Richard Spencer's address, telephone number and other personal and business details without having to contract the services of anyone to perform due diligence.

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    - It also mentions on the syllabus for the course of "CQC for Special Operations"
    Well, I've said in before however.. that's another ambiguous statement which has little meaning other than to capture the interest of people who might otherwise know no better.

    But anyway, you can realistically take everything read in what Richard Spencer offered with a rather large grain of salt.

    Within my team at the moment I have one ex-army (inf) WO and two ex-JNCO Bootnecks all have multiple middle eastern deployments and have all undertaken training in one form or another with members of our SF, none of them think thats special or sets them apart from any others within their peer group.
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    Rock, believe me, a few of us had these same doubts. There's specific reasons why I cancelled 10 days after receiving the LOI and itinerary. That will be the next and last part of my story. I also spoke with Daniel C. on the phone yesterday and learned some very interesting details which he gave me the go-ahead to share, and I'll tack those onto my last installment along with the e-mails.

    You wouldn't happen to be hiring, would you? ;p
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    Quote Originally Posted by IntrepidWeapon View Post
    Rock, believe me, a few of us had these same doubts. There's specific reasons why I cancelled 10 days after receiving the LOI and itinerary. That will be the next and last part of my story. I also spoke with Daniel C. on the phone yesterday and learned some very interesting details which he gave me the go-ahead to share, and I'll tack those onto my last installment along with the e-mails.
    Thanks mate then ensure you stay in touch !

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    You wouldn't happen to be hiring, would you? ;p
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    Bogus.

    They don't.

    Ambiguous statement based VERY loosely on the fact that British SF train in and around the Welsh mountains. This is information is known publicly and, if you talk to locals they will tell you that SF Selection runs in July and January every year.

    No it won't be, the British Army does not endorse private business ventures. Yes they may contract out to third party specialists, but trust me, the BritFor has numerous fitter, more experienced, far more credible instructors within their own ranks for the subjects and content which Richard Spencer offered through the ICA

    Another ambiguous statement, and one which sets off my alarm bells on so many levels.

    Remember I work in the sector Spencer attempted to pitched too, his PERSEC alone was compromised on multiple levels not to mention his business reputation was already being dragged through the coals. "Secret location" Really ? I knew Richard Spencer's address, telephone number and other personal and business details without having to contract the services of anyone to perform due diligence.

    Well, I've said in before however.. that's another ambiguous statement which has little meaning other than to capture the interest of people who might otherwise know no better.

    But anyway, you can realistically take everything read in what Richard Spencer offered with a rather large grain of salt.

    Within my team at the moment I have one ex-army (inf) WO and two ex-JNCO Bootnecks all have multiple middle eastern deployments and have all undertaken training in one form or another with members of our SF, none of them think that special or sets them apart from any other within their peer group.
    Yep - pretty much what I thought. The problem is that if you market this kind of stuff then people are going to pull you up on it. You need to be pretty bullet proof (no pun intended).

    The reality is that Spencer and the ICA are a bunch of light weights
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    Quote Originally Posted by scipio View Post
    Yep - pretty much what I thought. The problem is that if you market this kind of stuff then people are going to pull you up on it. You need to be pretty bullet proof (no pun intended).

    The reality is that Spencer and the ICA are a bunch of light weights
    It's a marketing strategy which is set for failure when you canvas for work within a HIGHLY specialised sector populated by people who are (mostly, because there's always exceptions) Specialists in their operating fields and are adept at spotting walts and wannabies who just don't know what they're talking about.

    THE MOMENT i see anyone within my employment sector attempting to discuss or allude to SF as a means of generating credibility for themselves in the way we've seen from the ICA and Spencer.. I'm rolling my eyes and switching off. Those *with* the contacts and insider knowledge (because they've earned that information one way or another) do not need to canvas for business like the ICA and Spencer. That's the way we know who's pretty much legit and those who bullshit.
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    What I was expecting to see on the "survival" training was something similar to what you'd expect when doing an exercise on hard routine. That looks and reads like a Bear Grylls episode.

    In relation to my earlier statement about the screen shot of the news; I was zooming in on my browser to try and spot anything odd so sorry about that.
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    What I was expecting to see on the "survival" training was something similar to what you'd expect when doing an exercise on hard routine. That looks and reads like a Bear Grylls episode.
    The question has to be. Survival against what?

    Survival against an OpFor - IE Escape and evasion.

    Survival against SHTF - That's a subject which isn't limited to the security sector and is so diverse in terms of disaster recovery is pretty much open ended.

    Survival skills generally - the ability to operate outside of one's normal/comfort zones - essentially "Aggressive outdoor camping"

    These are just the ones which jump off the top of my head.

    Anyone with a reasonable length infantry military background will already have a very firm grasp on pretty much how to "survive" outdoors however, the degree of success for ANYONE would be entirely down to the individual and how robust they are both mentally, physically and what's motivating them to remain alive..

    The video which we saw of Spencer and the outreach group wasn't even above elementary field/camp craft skills. I wouldn't encourage anyone to pay large sums of money to learn that stuff from a third party company when the level of skills being taught are those which are essentially learned by the Scout/Guides Youth Movements.
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