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    shadow sparring

    Anyone see any value to shadow sparring as a supplement to training. for example: going through the movements of certain techniques such as RNC, collar chokes, Guillotine chokes ect. for the purpose of building proper muscle memory. Thanks for any replies.
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    Seems like in the examples you gave (grappling), having the other person there is pretty darn important. I see it like driving a car without a car- your development will be extremely limited. Your mileage may vary.

    I'd suggest that if you don't have a partner to grapple or drill with, you're better off doing cardio or resistance training.
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    Yeah, shadow boxing in grappling would suck big time. You could make a grappling dummy which it better than nothing. But you really need another person to grapple. Now, shadow boxing for striking, stick fighting, stuff like that, does have it's place.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliveness_(martial_arts)

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    This is why working techniques for grappling really don't work without a partner.

    That being said this here is an awesome thing to do

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    thanks for the replies. To clarify. Just meant as a supplement, not in place of the grappling I do at class twice a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rnc357 View Post
    thanks for the replies. To clarify. Just meant as a supplement, not in place of the grappling I do at class twice a week.
    You can go through the motions or visualize them in your head, but the benefit is minimal compared to having a partner or even a grappling dummy.
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    I would say that solo supplemental exercises (shrimping, etc.) would be more beneficial.

    I do a lot of shadow training for throws in Judo, but that's a bit different than ground work. Plus, you need to make sure you are doing the shadow training correctly so as to not practice bad habits.
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    Gymnastic Natural is a great DVD as well as a newer group called Primal Movement. These things will help build muscle and develop ROM. Unless you only get to train once a week its best to supplement training with exercises designed for strength and flexibility. Rest being the most over looked component in an athletes program.
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    Absolutely. Repetition is the mother of skill. If you do the movement slow and correct your muscles will remember how to do them fast and with precision should you need them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marydavis View Post
    Absolutely. Repetition is the mother of skill. If you do the movement slow and correct your muscles will remember how to do them fast and with precision should you need them too.
    It's not quite the same in ground game as standup. You can drill 100 jabs in the air and that'll actually help your stand-up form and speed.

    But drilling 100 triangle chokes is no more than exercise (and at that rep, cardio), rather than "supplemental drills". It'd be far better to do standard aerobic/anaerobic exercises in that case.
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