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    Sloppy post on my part. The first point related to overall arch of posts from Pat where some ill can be traced back to US. After awhile I have started to infer in his posts that somehow all would be well in foreign countries without the US. This brings up images of poor victimized non Americans. I may be reading too much into it.

    The last part was speculating on my part that full knowledge of CIA activities combined with full knowledge of CIA intelligence may not result in condemnation. Also, I think the world was and is a messy place and the Cold War period had a lot of complex decisions that needed to be made. I also don't assume there wasn't abuse of power.

    Sloppy post all around on my part.
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    More than sloppy Mike, you are condoning murder. And gee, do you think the biggest super power's enormously funded secret police / spy agency and bloated military might have influence on world affairs? WTF? Read up on Guatemala, Nicaragua, Chile, Indonesia and so forth. Hell, start with the CIA's own sites: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...n_Terror_9.htm

    Some might be interested in the review comments here
    http://www.amazon.com/Marys-Mosaic-C...R3N8HB4LKPMCZV

    Some good thinking by people who give a **** about this country and are sharp and thoughtful and caring, one sample of many:

    "To understand the complex weave of elements that led to her death is to understand, in a deeper way, one of the most abominable, despicable events of our country's history.

    Therein lies the cancerous tumor upon the soul of America. The CIA's inception and entrance into the American landscape fundamentally altered not only the functioning of our government, but the entire character of American life."
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    Quote Originally Posted by patfromlogan View Post
    Some might be interested in the review comments here
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    Pat, what's your take on that review's reference to Timothy Leary and/or LSD to all of this?
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    Pat, what's your take on that review's reference to Timothy Leary and/or LSD to all of this?
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...945&highlight= I'll probably catch ****, but after doing lots of acid and shrooms, starting back in the 60s, and reading about M16, CIA, NSA, and such for decades, it rings true. I'll read Janney's book, too. Mary, what a fox! Her parents were lefties that funded The Masses mag in the 30's - what a woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patfromlogan View Post
    More than sloppy Mike, you are condoning murder. And gee, do you think the biggest super power's enormously funded secret police / spy agency and bloated military might have influence on world affairs? WTF? Read up on Guatemala, Nicaragua, Chile, Indonesia and so forth. Hell, start with the CIA's own sites: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...n_Terror_9.htm

    Some might be interested in the review comments here
    http://www.amazon.com/Marys-Mosaic-C...R3N8HB4LKPMCZV

    Some good thinking by people who give a **** about this country and are sharp and thoughtful and caring, one sample of many:

    "To understand the complex weave of elements that led to her death is to understand, in a deeper way, one of the most abominable, despicable events of our country's history.

    Therein lies the cancerous tumor upon the soul of America. The CIA's inception and entrance into the American landscape fundamentally altered not only the functioning of our government, but the entire character of American life."

    Pat, I ask again, is there a source for the description of the alleged events in your OP in this thread? Would you be good enough to share it?

    Do you have any evidence that there was a substance at the time of Marley's alleged toe-pricking that could be administered by pinprick and cause cancer to develop in the way you are suggesting, or have you just let people blow so much smoke up your own ass that you don't notice when you are trying to do it to others?



    BTW, congratulations on citing a less crazy tangential piece of minor Kennedy assassination buffery than I was fearful of. Janney's book rests on a completely loony misinterpretation of Kennedy's Soviet & Cuban policies. Also, after being successfully defended by an outstanding lawyer who got him a hung jury, Raymond Crump, Jr., the accused killer of Mary Pinchot Meyer, went on to commit various crimes, including raping a 13-year-old and stabbing his wife in the neck, and to suffer from what his wife said were violent fugue states. It is hardly clear that he was framed. To top it all off, Janney is so committed to conspiracy at any price that he is one of the few very kooky assassination buffs who still insist that the photo long known to be of Billy Lovelady in the doorway of the Book Depository is of Lee Oswald.
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    More than sloppy Mike, you are condoning murder.
    No he's not.

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    Some might be interested in the review comments here
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    This was my favorite.

    This book is not credible when you check the actual sources, June 27, 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckWepner View Post
    Pat, I ask again, is there a source for the description of the alleged events in your OP in this thread? Would you be good enough to share it? Do you have any evidence that there was a substance at the time of Marley's alleged toe-pricking that could be administered by pinprick and cause cancer to develop in the way you are suggesting, or have you just let people blow so much smoke up your own ass that you don't notice when you are trying to do it to others?

    BTW, congratulations on citing a less crazy tangential piece of minor Kennedy assassination buffery than I was fearful of. Janney's book rests on a completely loony misinterpretation of Kennedy's Soviet & Cuban policies. Also, after being successfully defended by an outstanding lawyer who got him a hung jury, Raymond Crump, Jr., the accused killer of Mary Pinchot Meyer, went on to commit various crimes, including raping a 13-year-old and stabbing his wife in the neck, and to suffer from what his wife said were violent fugue states. It is hardly clear that he was framed. To top it all off, Janney is so committed to conspiracy at any price that he is one of the few very kooky assassination buffs who still insist that the photo long known to be of Billy Lovelady in the doorway of the Book Depository is of Lee Oswald.
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    No he's not.



    This was my favorite.
    Thanks you.

    I admit that if I did have ALL the information I might condemn CIA actions. Pat, sticking to the original example, are you saying it is a legitimate line of inquiry that the CIA targeted someone with a time delayed carcinogenic poison that would not be lethal with full medical care; but that speculating that there might possibly be legitimatereasons for who the CIA targets is complete crazy talk?!?
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    Patrice Lumumba.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Gu..._d%27%C3%A9tat

    gee, mike, I dunno. Can't think of any killings that have made sense - given that fifty years of horror started with Eisenhower and Dulles agreeing in a cabinet meeting to take out Lumumba, given that the US created the radical muslim movement - (by now I should hope we all agree that if the SAVAK uses the technique of cutting off children's arms while making the parents watch all you have left willing to fight are the radicals), given the 100s of thousands of deaths in Indonesia, given the hundreds of thousands of deaths in central america, ah ****, there's too much blood to keep arguing about this ****.

    I'm sure the right wing will dig this:


    A little over a year ago, Chavez went on Venezuelan national radio and said: “I don’t know but… it is very odd that we have seen Lugo affected by cancer, Dilma when she was a candidate, me, going into an election year, not long ago Lula and now Cristina… It is very hard to explain, even with the law of probabilities, what has been happening to some leaders in Latin America. It’s at the very least strange, very strange.”

    Strange indeed… so strange that if you think Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, Paraguayan Fernando Lugo, and former Brazilian leader Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva - Latin America’s top anti-US empire leaders - all just happened to contract cancer around the same time by sheer chance, you must be some kind of crazy coincidence theorist.

    Am I 100% certain that the CIA killed Hugo Chavez? Absolutely not.

    It could have been non-governmental assassins working for the bankers.

    But any way you slice it, the masters of the US empire are undoubtedly responsible for giving Chavez and other Latin American leaders cancer. How do we know that? Just examine the Empire’s track record.

    Fidel Castro’s bodyguard, Fabian Escalante, estimates that the CIA attempted to kill the Cuban president an astonishing 638 times. The CIA’s methods included exploding cigars, biological warfare agents painted on Castro’s diving suit, deadly pills, toxic bacteria in coffee, an exploding speaker’s podium, snipers, poison-wielding female friends, and explosive underwater sea shells.

    The CIA’s assassination attempts against Castro were like a Tom and Jerry cartoon, with the CIA as the murderously inept cat, and the Cuban president as a clever and very lucky mouse. Some might even argue that Castro’s survival, in the face of 638 assassination attempts by the world’s greatest power, is evidence that El Presidente’s communist atheism was incorrect, and that God, or at least a guardian angel, must have been watching over “Infidel Castro” all along.

    Theology aside, the CIA’s endless attempts on Castro’s life provide ample evidence that US authorities will stop at nothing in their efforts to murder their Latin American enemies.

    John Perkins, in his bestselling book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, supplies more evidence that the bankers that own the US government routinely murder heads of state, using private assassins as well as CIA killers.

    Perkins, during his career as an “economic hit man,” gained first-hand knowledge about how the big international bankers maintain their empire in Latin America and elsewhere. Perkins’ job was to visit leaders of foreign countries and convince them to accept loans that could never be paid back. Why? The bankers want to force these nations into debt slavery. When the country goes bankrupt, the bankers seize the nation’s natural resources and establish complete control over its government and economy.

    Perkins would meet with a targeted nation’s leader and say: “I have a fist-full of hundred dollar bills in one hand, and a bullet in the other. Which do you want?” If the leader accepted the loans, thereby enslaving his country, he got the payoff. If he angrily chased Perkins out of his office, the bankers would call in the “asteroids” to assassinate the uncooperative head of state.

    The “asteroids” are the world’s most expensive and accomplished professional killers. They work on contract - sometimes to the CIA, sometimes to the bankers, and sometimes to wealthy private individuals. And though their specialty is causing plane crashes, they are capable of killing people, including heads of state, in any number of ways.

    This isn’t just speculation. John Perkins actually knows some of these CIA-linked professional killers personally. And he has testified about their murders of Latin American leaders. Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is dedicated to Perkins’ murdered friends Gen. Torrijos of Panama and President Jaime Roldos of Ecuador. Both were killed by CIA-linked “asteroids” in engineered plane crashes.

    Do CIA-linked killers sometimes induce cancer in their victims? Apparently they do. One notable victim: Jack Ruby (née Jack Rubenstein), a mobster who was himself a professional killer, and whose last hit was the choreographed murder of JFK-assassination patsy Lee Harvey Oswald in the basement of the Dallas Police Department. Ruby begged to be taken to Washington to tell the real story of the JFK murder, but instead died in prison, of a sudden and mysterious cancer, before he could reveal what he knew.
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    and to the guy with the big orange font. First, **** you. Second, try google\\
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