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    Yeah, that wasn't effective at all...
    Making a soccer player fall down hurt is extremely easy. Hell, Zidane probably could've floored him with a punch that only looked like it hit him.
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    Yeah, that wasn't effective at all...
    Great it works well as a sucker hit when two people are not fighting. Guess what hitting someone with anything when they are not prepared is going to do some damage. So unless you're training to instigate fights I still stand by my point.
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    I think you're mixing the concept of MMA with the concept of mixing martial arts. MMA is a sport with a particular ruleset. Mixing martial arts is just mixing martial arts. JKD doesn't have a competitive ruleset where its fighters compete so its not "just like MMA".
    JKD fighters compete in MMA and train using MMA sparring, so...
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    JKD fighters compete in MMA and train using MMA sparring, so...
    Its true I have hours of King of the Cage with them getting their asses beat badly. I will be honest I don't know how well they have been doing in recent years.
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    JKD fighters compete in MMA and train using MMA sparring, so...
    If JKD was just like MMA they wouldn't have to.

    Who in MMA comes from JKD camps?
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    Great it works well as a sucker hit when two people are not fighting. Guess what hitting someone with anything when they are not prepared is going to do some damage. So unless you're training to instigate fights I still stand by my point.
    Dude stop. Back when NHB was the cagefight ruleset, fighters used headbutts quite successfully. Some systematically incorporated headbutts in their techniques arsenal.
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    Great it works well as a sucker hit when two people are not fighting. Guess what hitting someone with anything when they are not prepared is going to do some damage. So unless you're training to instigate fights I still stand by my point.
    So you've never headbutted anybody from Thai clinch?
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    Dude stop. Back when NHB was the cagefight ruleset, fighters used headbutts quite successfully. Some systematically incorporated headbutts in their techniques arsenal.
    I have seen a lot of NHB fighting from the early days, I can't off the top of my head think of a match that ended via headbut. A missed or badly excuted headbut sets you up for a really bad day. For "the street" I prefer high percentage maneuvers that don't **** you if you mess them up.
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    Dude stop. Back when NHB was the cagefight ruleset, fighters used headbutts quite successfully. Some systematically incorporated headbutts in their techniques arsenal.
    I like headbutts but goodlun has a point- that video showed a sucker hit to someone who wasn't defending and likely to flop at any assault, so its not a good example.

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    So you've never headbutted anybody from Thai clinch?
    Would that change the nature of your headbutt video?

    There are plenty of videos of effective headbutts in actual fights (and plenty of videos of ineffectual headbutts too) but that's not a great example.
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    I have seen a lot of NHB fighting from the early days, I can't off the top of my head think of a match that ended via headbutt.
    Off the top of my head:

    More recent example: http://explosivefightvideos.com/figh...brutal-ko.html

    Also Mark Coleman, The Godfather of Ground & Headbutt.



    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    A missed or badly excuted headbut sets you up for a really bad day. For "the street" I prefer high percentage maneuvers that don't **** you if you mess them up.
    Oh, then you need to disregard A LOT of techniques. Many of which are legal in MMA.



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    I like headbutts but goodlun has a point- that video showed a sucker hit to someone who wasn't defending and likely to flop at any assault, so its not a good example.
    I know, I said that too. But providing a weak example does not prove the opposite stance, that headbutts are useless in a fight. Which is what goodlun also said.
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