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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicpoet View Post
    For years, I've been hearing from MMA fans that if an elite boxer ever entered the octagon, it wouldn't even be a fight. The MMA fighter would take the fight to the ground, and submit the boxer instantaneously. Supposedly, it wouldn't even be a fight.

    The example that's always trotted out again and again is Toney vs. Couture.

    Well, another old and washed up boxer made his MMA debut. This time it was Ricardo Mayorga. A submission was tried, but this is what happened.



    Now in case you couldn't get the gif to load, I'll just tell you what happened.

    Wesley Tiffer tried a submission hold on Mayorga, but Mayorga kneed him in the spine, then bludgeoned him with punches.

    Now, this "win" of Mayorga's has caused an outrage in the MMA community. For good reason. Knees to the spine should be illegal.

    But what I believe this also shows is that MMA should not be considered the equivalent to street fighting. If it was, Mayorga's win wouldn't be considered so outrageous.

    You can't have it both ways. Either MMA is a sport in which it's acknowledged that there's limitations on styles or techniques. Or it's a simulation of street fighting.

    Either Mayorga is a scumbag for not following the rules, or he's just doing whatever he can to win.
    I don't think it has to be an either or situation. Just look at Jeet Kune Do. I started training last year and its just like MMA only for street fighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayGuapa95 View Post
    I don't think it has to be an either or situation. Just look at Jeet Kune Do. I started training last year and its just like MMA only for street fighting.
    Care to elaborate on the difference between the street and the cage and how this should affect the way you train?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Care to elaborate on the difference between the street and the cage and how this should affect the way you train?
    Well, I mean you can train punching and everything, but you don't train headbutting in MMA right? Cuz its against the rules. So you would have to add that in. And knives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckWepner View Post
    Hey, streetfighting isn't just self-defense! According to former light heavyweight Champ and Cus D'Amato protege' Jose' Torres, when he was working Tyson's camp in Catskill, Tyson used to make recreational trips back into NYC to mug elderly people.
    Source first, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayGuapa95 View Post
    Well, I mean you can train punching and everything, but you don't train headbutting in MMA right? Cuz its against the rules. So you would have to add that in. And knives.
    Why would I have to add in Headbutting its not particularly useful in a Self Defense situation or a street fight.
    Given that we all have a certain amount of time we can train for. That time is best used working on high percentage things. So during the time you are wasting on working on things that are "against the rules" I am working on things that make me an overall better fighter such as being able to maintain a dominant position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Why would I have to add in Headbutting its not particularly useful in a Self Defense situation or a street fight.
    Gotta disagree with you there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Why would I have to add in Headbutting its not particularly useful in a Self Defense situation or a street fight.
    Given that we all have a certain amount of time we can train for. That time is best used working on high percentage things. So during the time you are wasting on working on things that are "against the rules" I am working on things that make me an overall better fighter such as being able to maintain a dominant position.


    Yeah, that wasn't effective at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayGuapa95 View Post
    I don't think it has to be an either or situation. Just look at Jeet Kune Do. I started training last year and its just like MMA only for street fighting.
    I think you're mixing the concept of MMA with the concept of mixing martial arts. MMA is a sport with a particular ruleset. Mixing martial arts is just mixing martial arts. JKD doesn't have a competitive ruleset where its fighters compete so its not "just like MMA".

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayGuapa95 View Post


    Yeah, that wasn't effective at all...
    The victim faked it.

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