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    I'm not making some outrageous claim. I'm a prison guard in California. As far as proof, I evoke a Sean Connery line from The Untouchables, "Who would claim to be that, who was not?" Prison guards, or as some demand to be called, correctional officers, here in California, work for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. We are not 24hr a day LEOs, so I wouldn't use that tag anyway. I don't even know how to get one, or what use it would be.

    Our arrest and control training, when I went through the academy, in 97, was created by Robert Koga. Koga based his method on his Aikido experience. Since I already had started training in Aikido, I just stuck with it, and use it mainly for control situations as in handcuffing resisting inmates nowadays. I started my career in psych units, and my Aikido experience paid off. It saved many injuries to staff and inmates alike, I'm sure. I won't argue that there may a better way, or quicker way to learn, or more kick ass system. There was no BJJ in my area till about two years ago. Had BJJ been here when I started Aikido, I probably would have been training in that. I am starting BJJ soon, but I still will train in Aikido, cause I like it.
    A few questions: What academy in 97? What position did you hold in the " Psyche" unit? What kind of facility was it? As far as your "The Untouchables" movie quote is concerned, you might want to ponder it for a while longer.
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    Oh I'm sorry, I didn't see that edit.
    An "edit" wasn't necessary. Unless a person is a full-time online nitpick to the near-total exclusion of all else, "not everyone collects fucking tags" is the equivalent in meaning of "not everyone is interested in tags".

    Seriously, if this sort of hairsplitting is what you consider the best use of your time, then by all means, go ahead and self-indulge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    An "edit" wasn't necessary. Unless a person is a full-time online nitpick to the near-total exclusion of all else, "not everyone collects fucking tags" is the equivalent in meaning of "not everyone is interested in tags".
    You troll to the exclusion of all else, we all have our roles. Since WE both are nitpicking, "tone" is a part of reading so, "****" changes your attempt at equivalency.

    Seriously, if this sort of hairsplitting is what you consider the best use of your time, then by all means, go ahead and self-indulge.
    Says the guy hairsplitting. I do like that I have found out what has you pissed off of late. Thanks.
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    Academy 2-97, I was a PIE permanent intermittent employee for nine months basically on call worked all over. End of 97, worked vacation relief, 98, worked as relief housing unit officer in multiple units, psyche intake, CCMS, 99 worked as a housing unit officer in a CCCMS wing housing 102 GP Psych inmates. Mid 99, unit was converted to a Clark program wing for inmates with Developmental Disabilities. During this time, staff assaults were at an all time high, due to level III facility housing level IV overrides and unpredictable inmate behavior. 2000, did my 1/W time in Psych Ad/Seg, Mid 2000 Worked as a housing unit officer in GP Ad/Seg, 2002 to present Yard Officer on GP Main Yard.
    California Medical Facility is a Level III prison hospital built in 1955 it houses all classifications of inmates from the elderly to Developmentally disabled, to Enhanced Outpatient Care, to Correctional Clinical Case Management, to Department of State Hospitals, to General Population.
    Most of our problems since I have been there were the late 90s early 2000s when points were being overridden to deliver appropriate level of care to inmates with mental health issues. These were the unpredictable assaultive inmates. These are the inmates, in which you need to be highly aware while handcuffing, escorting, and just supervising in general.
    If you want verification it's public record.
    Go to sacbee.com and search for state worker data base.
    Or try WWW.sacbee.com/state pay
    Search name is Larry Robinson
    Scroll down to corrections and rehabilitation

    I'm the only one Larry W Robinson Jr that's me.
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    The reason I chose the Untouchables quote, is because being a prison guard is not a position of prestige among most in the LEO community and public at large here in California. I think if someone were to lie about being something, here, prison guard would be near the end of a long list. We are well paid with great benefits, but our non 24hr peace officer status is looked down upon. I don't care, I'm second generation. I don't try to get snooty and say I'm not a guard but a correctional officer.
    That's why I don't care about the LEO tag, I have fourteen more years to the house and I don't need stuff like that. Besides, if I had that, someone would come along and say, "You're a prison guard not a cop! Why do you have an LEO tag?"

    So in using that quote, I was kinda poking fun at myself. I love my job, not too many would claim to be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikironin21 View Post
    The reason I chose the Untouchables quote, is because being a prison guard is not a position of prestige among most in the LEO community and public at large here in California. I think if someone were to lie about being something, here, prison guard would be near the end of a long list. We are well paid with great benefits, but our non 24hr peace officer status is looked down upon. I don't care, I'm second generation. I don't try to get snooty and say I'm not a guard but a correctional officer.
    That's why I don't care about the LEO tag, I have fourteen more years to the house and I don't need stuff like that. Besides, if I had that, someone would come along and say, "You're a prison guard not a cop! Why do you have an LEO tag?"

    So in using that quote, I was kinda poking fun at myself. I love my job, not too many would claim to be it.
    Actually, you'd be surprised at how many have that tag and are guards. That's why I defend Devil, on the rare occasion, plus those that don't want tags. Nice honesty. I'll still laugh at you when you post one of those aiki rants though.
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    Yeah, don't get me wrong, in a riot, I am not running around trying quell it, by mass irimi nage. I like Aikido for an interim step between an inmate who isn't exactly following orders, but isn't yet physically resisting, and an inmate who is full on ready to fight. Especially with the psych inmates, they can go from cooperative to not in a second. Well, if I get a guy who is willing to cuff up, for the time being, I could just grab his arm and start cuffing, but what if he spins?
    If I grab his wrist, and position his arm in a sankyo, his hand already in position to cuff, and if he starts to spin or anything, I'll feel it right away, and can lock up the arm and shoulder.

    As far as Bronson goes, we'll just lock him in, and drop gas bomb after gas bomb, till we get some 40mm direct impact rounds on him, and from there it's extraction time. Bronson is a beast! We have had a few like him, who kick doors open.
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    Hey, I train Aikido, I know what you're talking about when you bag on Aikido and me, and for the most part it's true! I try to be fairly objective in life, and have found some use for Aiki techniques in my life. I'm not saying nothing else would work, or other training even be more efficient. If They had BJJ here when I was younger, who knows, maybe I would be cuffing these guys with their arm set up for a kimura. I know I'm speaking out of my ass again, but they seem fairly similar as far as the posture of the opponent's body and the joint positions. I know the argument will come down to initial control of the center, and how aikido doesn't address this. All I can say, is it has worked for me in the past.
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