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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Seriously though can anyone tell me how effective the small joint **** is even at breaking fingers/wrist and the what not? Cause I never see them set up in a manner where they have any sort of real leverage while standing. To get leverage on the ground you often typically need to be in the dominate position.
    When standing, you can use quick motions of the torso to assist by twisting, sinking, dropping or crunching into a lock. Shinya Aoki's wakigatame is a good example:

    There's videos of him breaking at least one arm like this.

    So, if you were good at it and intent on wrecking someone's smaller joints, I'm sure its possible. You can explosively apply leverage in ways that are similar to the above, to joints that are smaller than ones that have been seen to break. Probably not likely though, if you only do compliant drilling in small circle JJ or chin na or whatever. Like a knockout punch- anyone can technically land one, but that doesn't mean you can magically pull it off under stress.

    I don't really care for finger locks. You can avoid them by making a fist.
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    With all due respect, not a chance in real life.

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    I wouldn't call what Aoki is demonstrating there 'small joint' manipulation any more than I would call an arm bar small joint manipulation. I mean, he's most likely to hyper extend your elbow there, yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zod View Post
    I wouldn't call what Aoki is demonstrating there 'small joint' manipulation any more than I would call an arm bar small joint manipulation. I mean, he's most likely to hyper extend your elbow there, yeah?
    Yeah, its an elbow break. My point was that the sort of explosive core usage from the standing position can be applied to smaller joints too. I was thinking of wrist locks more than finger locks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atheistmantis View Post
    With all due respect, not a chance in real life.
    With all due respect, you're a fucking idiot.

    Shut the **** up.

    Quote Originally Posted by atheistmantis View Post
    With all due respect, not a chance in real life.
    With all due respect, you're a fucking idiot.

    Shut the **** up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atheistmantis View Post
    With all due respect, not a chance in real life.
    Fingers, wrists, and elbows can all be manipulated and easily broken, especially fingers, in combat. To suggest otherwise is being ignorant of anatomy.

    Why do you think those sorts of things were banned from MMA? UFC doesn't ban techniques because they don't work, they ban them because it tends to hurt the pool of MMA fighters if they're always tending painful joint injuries.

    Why do you think MMA gloves are formed the way they are? To look pretty?
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    To make sure this is clear: Small joint manipulation is banned because it injures without ending fights, not just because it injures. If you don't make that specific then people will start harping on it as one of those 'str33t' things.

    That's one of the arguments for banning elbows on the ground. It tends to cut people up a lot without being a decisive fight ender.
    That doesn't mean it's not effective, just that the cosmetic damage done is more significant than the chance of it ending the fight. Same thing for small joint stuff.
    Yes, I could get hold of a finger and break it, but it's not going to end the fight, it's just going force that guy to spend an extra three weeks recovering.

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    People injure their own hands all the time in fights and it doesn't leave them frantically tapping you for mercy while you show them NONE!!1!

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    Yeah agreed its not a fight ender when fame, a woman, honor, money, or your life is involved. It might end the schoolyard bully fight, but also get you expelled and sued for damages.

    On the other hand, grappling with a broken finger or thumb is a much bigger disadvantage than a toe. Watching how the MMA glove has evolved from the early UFC days of broken hands...has been interesting. It's as much designed now to protect a grappler's phalanges as it is to soften the impact of striking. A beautiful thing.

    Time to start selling MMA toe protectors. Whose got a venture capitalist on standby? Tell them to call me.
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    As usual I'm a day late and a dollar short. They stole my idea!

    Step 1: Get some toe socks
    Step 2: Spray on rubber
    Step 3: ...
    Step 4: PROFIT!



    This right here is the pinnacle of MMA protection gear:

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