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  1. kalavic is offline

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    Is It Even Possible To Define Bad Wing Chun/ Ving Tsun?

    We have this revolving door of people trying to prove that _ing _un is an effective MA, sometimes posting the competition vids resembling amateur kickboxing. Then people say, well he lost, but his wingchun sucked; then others say, well he won, but his wingchun wasn't wingchun. And on it goes � (Kudos to the guys in the videos, btw.)


    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say (heaven forbid I offend someone) that it is less than likely that wingchun is an ultra-effective fighting system. So just for the purposes of this post, let's not define �good� as �effective� in fighting application. I can hear the stink already! Let's also rule out the lineage deal. So...



    How do we define �bad� wingchun now? You see a guy. He says he's done wingchun for several years. Which criteria would you use to tell if his wingchun sucks?



    You could nitpick with things like how his toes are pointing, whether he was taught the same as you, but what does that matter compared to say, someone who is doing the same way as you but has only learned for a couple of months, or someone who had done nothing but reading a couple books and practicing with his sister. What is the defining line? Is there one we could agree on?
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    You are posting like it is 2007....oh.... wait...nevermind.
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    A good wing chunner beats a bad wing chunner when they chun at each other.
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    Words are unnecessary.

    Wing Chun defines itself, every time we witness it.
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    No true Scotsman would define bad wing chun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    A good wing chunner beats a bad wing chunner when they chun at each other.
    Is that anything like scissoring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DimmedSum View Post
    Is that anything like scissoring?
    Forearm size tells all.
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    Wait for the good ____ ____ come forward.

    Until then, there is very little to worry about.
  9. bobyclumsyninja is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalavic View Post
    You see a guy. He says he's done wingchun for several years. Which criteria would you use to tell if his wingchun sucks?
    Well, you see a guy, who says he's done wingchun for several years.










































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    Postulate: Good martial arts teach you how to fight effectively in their respective ranges.

    Corollary 1: Good -ing -un teaches you to fight effectively in the standing range.

    Corollary 2: Bad -ing -un does not teach you to fight effectively in the standing range.

    Caveat: You must actually fight (spar) in an alive manner to answer the question whether you can fight.

    We're done here.
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