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    Quote Originally Posted by Capn_my_Capn View Post
    I'm Taoist and I agree with gay marriage. Not all religions bad guys.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckWepner View Post
    What you actually said (translated into literate English; I was serious about the ESL thing) was that you are a Taoist and support recognition of same-sex marriage rights. So, not all religions are bad, guys.
    This may very well be the problem: this generalization from one Taoist to Taoism as an Religion. Not to mention Taoism to be Philosophy and/or Religion.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckWepner View Post
    At least one way to read this (and I would argue the most natural) is that Taoism is a good religion unlike those other religions (Islam, Catholic Christianity, others) that do not support same-sex marriage.
    So, by this, Taoism as an Religion is indifferent or even supportive on same-sex marriage?
    What do the main Taoist Churches (?) say on that matter, like in PR China? I'm just being curious.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckWepner View Post
    Your being willing to casually describe religions with whose stances you disagree about same sex marriage as "bad" in some kind of childish effort to score solidarity points makes you a presumptuous asshole.
    And the very next moment we are discussing "rogue religions": lol
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    Religion be hanged. Homosexuality exists and will continue regardless of dogmatic belief. IMHO. It is not nature versus nurture. It is a matter of genetics. One day that gene will be identified. I have no proof of this, not one bit. Just give it a little time and reality will come to light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homernoid View Post
    This may very well be the problem: this generalization from one Taoist to Taoism as an Religion. Not to mention Taoism to be Philosophy and/or Religion.
    There were lots of problems with what he said. Since one was semi-coherence in his first post and another was dishonesty in his 2nd post about what his 1st post said, looking for a single key problem is probably a lost cause. But yes, he seems to conflate what one or more members of a tradition believe with the stance of that tradition as a whole.

    So, by this, Taoism as an Religion is indifferent or even supportive on same-sex marriage?
    What do the main Taoist Churches (?) say on that matter, like in PR China? I'm just being curious.
    That seems to be his claim about Taoism as a religion. After the Communist revolution, Taoism (like other religions and non-communist worldviews) was ruthlessly suppressed in China, so I doubt that there is much in the way of the former temple / monastery structure left. There is now a government sanctioned form of Taoism blended with socialism and hypernationalism which in theory all Chinese Taoists must join called the "Chinese Taoist Association." Through this group the government controls interpretation of Taoist texts, appointment of officials, etc. Since the Chinese government rejects same-sex marriage and dictates the views of the CTA, I doubt that the CTA actively favors it. But that tells us little about the content of Taoism under the circumstances.

    Here is a useful general site: http://www.ibiblio.org/chinesehistor...ul/c04s05.html


    And the very next moment we are discussing "rogue religions": lol
    WTF is a "rogue religion"? Are you attaching yourself to Capn's fucktarded attitude that you can dismiss entire religious traditions because you disagree with their stance on same-sex marriage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckWepner View Post
    There were lots of problems with what he said. Since one was semi-coherence in his first post and another was dishonesty in his 2nd post about what his 1st post said, looking for a single key problem is probably a lost cause. But yes, he seems to conflate what one or more members of a tradition believe with the stance of that tradition as a whole.
    agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckWepner View Post
    That seems to be his claim about Taoism as a religion. After the Communist revolution, Taoism (like other religions and non-communist worldviews) was ruthlessly suppressed in China, so I doubt that there is much in the way of the former temple / monastery structure left. There is now a government sanctioned form of Taoism blended with socialism and hypernationalism which in theory all Chinese Taoists must join called the "Chinese Taoist Association." Through this group the government controls interpretation of Taoist texts, appointment of officials, etc. Since the Chinese government rejects same-sex marriage and dictates the views of the CTA, I doubt that the CTA actively favors it. But that tells us little about the content of Taoism under the circumstances.

    Here is a useful general site: http://www.ibiblio.org/chinesehistor...ul/c04s05.html
    thanks for the link
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckWepner View Post
    WTF is a "rogue religion"? Are you attaching yourself to Capn's fucktarded attitude that you can dismiss entire religious traditions because you disagree with their stance on same-sex marriage?
    I tried a joke on the difference made between "bad" religions and others - (poor) rhetorics use terms like "rouge nation", "rouge regime" or "rouge state"...
    simplified dualistic simplifications are my favorite, so there MUST be rouge religions, my goodness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homernoid View Post
    This may very well be the problem: this generalization from one Taoist to Taoism as an Religion. Not to mention Taoism to be Philosophy and/or Religion.
    Oh for fucksakes, everyone knows Taoism is a diner on Main Street.
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    Oh for fucksakes, everyone knows Taoism is a diner on Main Street.
    I love your humor! I eat there often. I usually order the crispy duck with Peking sauce. I'm a total whore for that.
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    I love your humor! I eat there often. I usually order the crispy duck with Peking sauce. I'm a total whore for that.
    You thought that was duck, huh?

    Mmmmkay.

    Won't go into details, except to say that it was the last of its kind.

    Hope it was good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atheistmantis View Post
    Religion be hanged. Homosexuality exists and will continue regardless of dogmatic belief. IMHO. It is not nature versus nurture. It is a matter of genetics. One day that gene will be identified. I have no proof of this, not one bit. Just give it a little time and reality will come to light.
    I think the question of whether or not homosexuality is genetic is irrelevant. Call it nature, call it nurture; whatever you call it, homosexuality has been around for at least as long as recorded history and it isn't going anywhere. Let's all just stop pretending, sign on with gay marriage, and get back to the real issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlMatt View Post
    I think the question of whether or not homosexuality is genetic is irrelevant. Call it nature, call it nurture; whatever you call it, homosexuality has been around for at least as long as recorded history and it isn't going anywhere. Let's all just stop pretending, sign on with gay marriage, and get back to the real issues.
    Retards in politics?
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