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    One day when society gets their collective heads out of their asses there will be many changes. Not just gay marriage, but so many other issues. People just fear too many things and are so afraid of change. If they would only embrace it, just imagine the progress we could make!
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    Quote Originally Posted by atheistmantis View Post
    One day when society gets their collective heads out of their asses there will be many changes. Not just gay marriage, but so many other issues. People just fear too many things and are so afraid of change. If they would only embrace it, just imagine the progress we could make!
    Never happen, our collective head has been so far shoved up our collective ass since the dawn of time. Same **** all the time. The pendulum swings back and forth on social issues as well. All this progress may not be permanent it is likely however to at least last your lifetime.
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    Actually we investigated that, and a couple does not have to be married, homosexual or other wise for this to happen. These are some of my arguments and thank you for actually addressing my original discussion in the matter.
    Cool cool.

    I think the laws may differ slightly here. I was repeating (admittantly not word-for-word) part of the speech the main proponent of the law change used. From the context it was used in i believed it was a true recital of actual events. She also went on to clarify those acts that were specifically defined as illegal before the law change would still be illegal i.e polygamy,bigamy etc etc
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    I don't care if you marry your goldfish. I just don't like the government deciding what marriage is and who can and can't do it and with who.
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    I don't care if you marry your goldfish. I just don't like the government deciding what marriage is and who can and can't do it and with who.
    So you're against marriage?
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    So you're against marriage?
    I'm against government defining and administering marriage.

    I'm married, "legally", but if we had it to do over my wife and I would have the ceremony celebrating our lives and commitment with our family and friends but skip the paperwork at the courthouse. A marriage license or state certificate adds nothing to our relationship.

    Government didn't create marriage so why should we allow them to define it? Marriage is a spiritual rite. It should be in accordance with your (and your betrothed) beliefs, whatever they are. Christian, Unitarian, Mormon, or Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. If you don't have a faith you can bind hands or whatever you like. Get the government out of your life as much as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete838 View Post
    I'm against government defining and administering marriage.

    I'm married, "legally", but if we had it to do over my wife and I would have the ceremony celebrating our lives and commitment with our family and friends but skip the paperwork at the courthouse. A marriage license or state certificate adds nothing to our relationship.

    Government didn't create marriage so why should we allow them to define it? Marriage is a spiritual rite. It should be in accordance with your (and your betrothed) beliefs, whatever they are. Christian, Unitarian, Mormon, or Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. If you don't have a faith you can bind hands or whatever you like. Get the government out of your life as much as possible.
    So, in accordance with your principles, I'm sure you and your wife don't avail yourself of any of the benefits that the government offers married couples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete838 View Post
    I'm against government defining and administering marriage.

    I'm married, "legally", but if we had it to do over my wife and I would have the ceremony celebrating our lives and commitment with our family and friends but skip the paperwork at the courthouse. A marriage license or state certificate adds nothing to our relationship.

    Government didn't create marriage so why should we allow them to define it? Marriage is a spiritual rite. It should be in accordance with your (and your betrothed) beliefs, whatever they are. Christian, Unitarian, Mormon, or Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. If you don't have a faith you can bind hands or whatever you like. Get the government out of your life as much as possible.
    Weird, that looked like a yes or no question to me.
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    So, in accordance with your principles, I'm sure you and your wife don't avail yourself of any of the benefits that the government offers married couples.
    There shouldn't be any incentive or disincentive to begin with, but getting married disqualifies you for more than it qualifies you for.
    We aren't old enough to be concerned about social security survivors benefits, and it will probably be insolvent by then anyway. We don't make enough money for the tax rates to matter. The only perceivable benefit is filing only one set of tax forms.
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    There shouldn't be any incentive or disincentive to begin with, but getting married disqualifies you for more than it qualifies you for.
    We aren't old enough to be concerned about social security survivors benefits, and it will probably be insolvent by then anyway. We don't make enough money for the tax rates to matter. The only perceivable benefit is filing only one set of tax forms.
    Well, that is simply because you are ignorant of the Social Security policies. Just because you don't use them, or know them, doesn't mean they don't exist. There is a lot more to Social Security than just survivor benifits. There is disability for adults and children. Which also includes survivor benifits on the disabiilty program. You may not be using that now, but if you get in a car wreck tomorrow, that all can change and so will your opinion.

    There is alos alot more issues with marriage than just Social Security. Like hospital issues. Can you make decisions at a hospital for your wife if she is incapacitated? Not if you are not married. What about insurance benifits such as coverage for family members under the same plan?

    You are saying that you don't agree with marriage on a legal stand point, but do on a spiritual one. There is no law against spiritual unions. You can find a preacher to marry you to your car muffler. But it won't be legally recognised which is what this thread is abut. You can say you don't believe in it all you want, but that is irrelivant to the law. I can tell a judge that I don't believe in the murder law. But that won't keep me out of prison. Because as long as you reside in this country, it's laws are the ones you have to abide by.
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