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    Basically due to the nature of capital in a capitalistic market.
    Any money that isn't your money a affects you more or less the same no matter whom is holding onto it.
    Now I feel bad for the retail workers of the US. That they managed to find themselves in a dead end job with little hope of making any real money but thus is life. Someone has to be there at 3 am when I want to buy stuff.
    Now if you want to introduce a Workers Bill of Rights or start helping organise labor I am all for that.
    However sitting around and complaining about how 7 people managed to run a successful business and have reaped the rewards for doing so is silly to me.
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    Basically due to the nature of capital in a capitalistic market.
    Any money that isn't your money a affects you more or less the same no matter whom is holding onto it.
    Now I feel bad for the retail workers of the US. That they managed to find themselves in a dead end job with little hope of making any real money but thus is life. Someone has to be there at 3 am when I want to buy stuff.
    Now if you want to introduce a Workers Bill of Rights or start helping organise labor I am all for that.
    However sitting around and complaining about how 7 people managed to run a successful business and have reaped the rewards for doing so is silly to me.
    So how "silly" is it that a few rich people take effective control of the regulatory agencies and run a fertilizer plant in Texas for 28 years with out OSHA inspections, then it catches fire, blows up and kills fourteen people, most Firefighters who were on scene fighting the fire prior to the explosion. The explosion caused by illegally unreported extremely volatile chemicals, almost 200 gallons. Pretty fucking silly.
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    So how "silly" is it that a few rich people take effective control of the regulatory agencies and run a fertilizer plant in Texas for 28 years with out OSHA inspections, then it catches fire, blows up and kills fourteen people, most Firefighters who were on scene fighting the fire prior to the explosion. The explosion caused by illegally unreported extremely volatile chemicals, almost 200 gallons. Pretty fucking silly.
    So the Walmart 7 are responsible now for every act of regulatory neglect?
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    http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog...my-meyer/6948/

    This is a bigger issue and it is in Utah. You are complaining about people ducking and dodging because they are rich. These states have actually passed LAWS to curb investigative reporting and free speech.
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    More to my point. You want to talk about class warfare lets talk about the causes, lets talk about solutions, go on mobilise. If you want to talk about worker rights fine, you want to talk about a need for better corporate oversight fine, you want to talk about trying to get money out of politics fine. Lets do that.

    However pointing to the people on this list http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
    doesn't do any of that. Neither does singling walmart (or any other single company) out as if they are something special as if they treat their employees any worse off than 90% of all the other retail businesses out there. In the end it just makes you look like a self righteous cry baby.

    Capitalism thus far has proven to be one of the fairest economic systems. Yes the scales are tipped towards the people whom are already rich. Every system from feudalism on through to communism has done this as well when practiced.
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    Every system from feudalism on through to communism has done this as well when practiced.
    Reminds me of a quote, "socialism works, what has failed are humans"
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    Reminds me of a quote, "socialism works, what has failed are humans"
    Its very true, don't get me wrong there are things that I think should be socialised in an economic system. I don't believe corporations are the best avenue for EVERYTHING. I am actually pretty far to the left. However I do know what capitalism is good for and that is generating new wealth and new technologies, and at the end of the day a better quality of life if you are not worried about that whole keeping up with the Jones things.
    For the record I do believe in some socialised programs.
    Infrastructure
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    Health Care
    Police/Fire
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    Basicly are basic needs (safety, shelter, food, and water)
    Some of the things are handled better through subsidies (food stamps) some are handled better being handled out right by the government (Law Enforcement).
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog...my-meyer/6948/

    This is a bigger issue and it is in Utah. You are complaining about people ducking and dodging because they are rich. These states have actually passed LAWS to curb investigative reporting and free speech.
    It would seem that the laws go against the First Admendment, at least if they are filming from off company property. The whistleblowing value makes them valuable.

    BP (which is not owned by Walmart either), responsible for the worst oil spill in U.S. history, reported first-quarter profit of $4.2 billion today, 30 percent more than analysts had forecast.

    Perhaps acknowledgment of the problems is basic to looking for solutions.
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    I do see some signs of hope. Here the German police took off their badges and helmets and joined an anti-banking demonstration:


    I don't pretend to have all the answers and solutions, though some seem obvious. Stop bailing out billionaire gamblers? And to have cheap clothes available is nice, but 400+ dead garment workers makes that T-shirt a bit too pricey.
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