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    So is Ronda. Should she fight men? This can't be your argument.
    Funny you should say that, Ronda herself thinks it's unfair to get a transgender to fight in the women's division.

    Ronda was an olympian and Judo expert.

    This Fox Fallon was a nobody.

    Yeah, no, bad comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azatdawn View Post
    I bet there are a lot of females my weight that can bench press more than me. Now what? Can I go fight in the women's divisions now?
    What Iif means is:

    If you have reassignment surgery and you're NOT stronger than all the other girls BECAUSE of your previous gender then, yeah, why not?

    Are you being dense on purpose? Will you not acknowledge the fact that training as a man while growing up till the age of 30 then having a reassignment surgery isn't a button that resets your strength to match that of a woman that's trained as a woman all her life?
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    What Iif means is:

    If you have reassignment surgery and you're NOT stronger than all the other girls BECAUSE of your previous gender then, yeah, why not?
    Nope. If two participants agree to fight I do not give a damn about their gender. If Fox is signed to the UFC, opponents do not care and it was approved I DO NOT CARE.

    Do I see all of the problems? Yep.
    Do I believe a few years of female hormones completely erases DECADES of Male hormones? Nope.
    Do I think Fox is full of **** for not disclosing the gender info? Yep.
    If that led to a ban or suspension do I think it is deserved? Yep.
    Do I think a transgendered person should be able to fight in whatever gender class they have been reassigned to? Yep.
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    The term "reassigned" cracks me up in that context; it sounds more like a memo from human resources.
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    Nope. If two participants agree to fight I do not give a damn about their gender. If Fox is signed to the UFC, opponents do not care and it was approved I DO NOT CARE.

    Do I see all of the problems? Yep.
    Do I believe a few years of female hormones completely erases DECADES of Male hormones? Nope.
    Do I think Fox is full of **** for not disclosing the gender info? Yep.
    If that led to a ban or suspension do I think it is deserved? Yep.
    Do I think a transgendered person should be able to fight in whatever gender class they have been reassigned to? Yep.
    I see.

    Sorry for putting words in your mouth.
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    If I knew that someone had been proven to be training on roids for decades while lying about it, then went off for a couple years, do you think they should be able to compete in the Olympics?

    Though I've never used them, I have no problem with people using steroids if they're open about it and don't compete against others who aren't. But that puts you in a different class.

    If I were a woman, I would feel I had a right to know if my opponent had been on huge doses of testosterone. Some people are so self-centered and thoughtless, yet so easily offended it blows my mind. There are concessions in life. You live in a time and had the resources to "realise" your gender identity. Be happy.

    You can't match women's necks supporting hits from men's punches. That's so wrong. It's like me as a 30-year-old enrolling in highschool and competing in JV football. But possibly disabling women is less of an issue than hurting someone's feelings.
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    My primary thought is, she is literally female. Granted, not in the sense anyone gives a **** about, but still in a literal sense:

    http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/5/2034
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11826131
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...18506X06001462
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov /pubmed/15724806
    http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/131/12/3132
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../378068a0.html
    http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/8/1900.full
    http: //www.eje-online.org/content/155/suppl_1/S107

    Sex =/= any specific gender dimorphic biological property, but gender dimorphic biological properties in general.

    Second thought: Fighting based on general hormonal/biological composition is fine in principle, but the people whose job it is to decide how all this works decided Fallon Fox belongs in Women's Division. If more evidence is presented establishing that the opposite is warranted, or allowing finer differentiation of such borderline cases, cool, but right now this is where the professional medical opinion is so that's where a rational person has to stand

    Third thought: The public response to this has made me much less interested in MMA and much more interested in IDPA

    Good work on being 35-70% better about this than the rest of the internet though
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    You bump this thread for that? A weak ass point that has been brought up and refuted several times already?

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    I KNOW you don't.
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