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    "The Original BJJ: the Submission Grappling of British Jiu-Jitsu"

    http://www.bartitsu.org/index.php/20...ish-jiu-jitsu/

    A new article from the Bartitsu Society on the connections between the mysterious Handa dojo of Osaka, the pioneering jiujitsu challenge grapplers who took on European wrestlers in Edwardian-era London, and the origins of submission wrestling in the Western world during the early 20th century.

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    The video from 1912 was really cool to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shellback View Post
    The video from 1912 was really cool to see.
    Shellback. Awesome name, and a title I share. How did you come by it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    Shellback. Awesome name, and a title I share. How did you come by it?
    Thanks! USN 97' - 01' active duty on USS Lincoln and a few years reserves after that. I was an AMS3 (jet mechanic).

    ETA - 2 WestPacs, RimPac and a bunch of workups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shellback View Post
    The video from 1912 was really cool to see.


    This one's from 1905 ...

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    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shellback View Post
    Thanks! USN 97' - 01' active duty on USS Lincoln and a few years reserves after that. I was an AMS3 (jet mechanic).

    ETA - 2 WestPacs, RimPac and a bunch of workups.
    Awesome, shipmate! I served Spruance (the old one) at the tail end of Gulf War, then reserves for a bit, too. Started on her working M-division (GSE/Ms), but struck out to QM during a yard period. We could probably have some conversations about bleed air and compression ratios, but the engines get a little different toward the aft end. Nice to see a fellow shellback on the boards, though.

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    A lot of that article seems to be in this thread from 2007: http://www.e-budo.com/archive/index.php/t-37917.html

    What is new and why does it matter? And, is this all just speculation (is a lot of martial arts history speculation)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarshMallow View Post
    A lot of that article seems to be in this thread from 2007: http://www.e-budo.com/archive/index.php/t-37917.html

    What is new and why does it matter? And, is this all just speculation (is a lot of martial arts history speculation)?
    I could parse all the "new" info. - K. Tani's full name and Tenshin-Shin'yo-ryu affiliation, Yamamoto's Handa connection, etc. - but unless you'd been keeping track of the research that's been going on since the 2007 thread, it probably wouldn't mean much. The new article is a summary of all the research inspired by that thread. It only matters to people who are interested in the Handa dojo and its connection to Bartitsu and the early sub grappling scene in the Western world.

    The speculations are noted in the text and everything else is documented.

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