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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatdown Richie View Post
    Let's not forget that GSP landed a fair number of punches more than Diaz in the standup portion of the fight, and quite a few of them made Diaz' head snap back. It's hardly GSP's fault that Diaz can absorb unholy amounts of punishment.

    The way I see it, the criticism that GSP is getting is absurd. The guy makes top contenders look like noobs... he just outstruck one of the best boxers in MMA on the feet, controlled a BJJ black belt on the ground for ten minutes straight, stifling every bit of his offense... and everyone's like "Booooring! Why doesn't he finish his fights, goddammit?"
    I think GSP is a fucking awesome fighter. I think he fights exactly the way he should. He could make it more exciting but he'd have to take more risks to do so. I don't think that makes sense.

    That said - his style is boring to watch. If I wanted to see a n00b get grapplefucked I could go to any BJJ school in the country and watch it 6 days a week until my little heart was content. And that's pretty much what GSP's fights look like. He would be more exciting if he took more risks. He would also be stupid.
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    haters gonna hate. in the same way that silva and bones attract the hate, so does gsp. meh.

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    The criticism against GSP, Silva, and Bones are just absurd. These guys are winners. They come out and outclass every fighter in their divisions with ease. They make the top 10 on EVERY list of "Top Fighters" for a reason. It's what they do, they fight to win.

    Sure, they are fighting in a sport where it is entertaining for spectators to watch. However, first and foremost, they are fighters. Being entertainers comes second, hell even third, in their list of priorities.

    Now, if you as a spectator wants to watch a guy charge in with little to no strategy or any real sense of proficiency, then carry on and watch fighters like Chris Leben. I for one would much rather see a fighter fight with great skill, strategy, conditioning, and accuracy. So, I'll continue watching and rooting for the fighters who are at the very top of their divisions.
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    I think that GSP's fights are predictable and I don't think that is his fault. He is a brilliant strategist which is why he wins fights. He works within the rule set to find a way to victory over fighters that pose serious threats to him. I think the reason his fights are boring is that his opponents lack the diversity of skills necessary to pose a threat to his signature dynamic and proven game. Hendricks seems to have the skills to pose a threat, but so did Condit, Diaz, Koscheck, Fitch, Alves, Shields, and Penn.

    People keep thinking it'll take someone really good at one thing to beat him, but really it's someone who can out-strike him, out-wrestle him, AND submit him to beat him, because if he has an advantage anywhere than that leaves the door open for him to win. He is intelligent enough to recognize this, disciplined enough to stick to the plan, athletic enough to recover from adversity, and motivated to keep this win streak going and cement his legacy.

    Now on the other hand there is Anderson Silva, who is all of that, but confident enough in his skills to take risks and make his fights exciting. I think people are constantly asking more and more from these fighters every fight, which is sort of unfair. It makes sense that as other fighters watch and analyze them, that they will be less successful. And they are the ones in the cage defending THEIR belt. Any criticisms we, as fans, have for these guys are really pretty moot, because they know what they are doing, and it's their decisions to make.

    Don't like it? Don't watch it. Simple enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil View Post
    If I wanted to see a n00b get grapplefucked I could go to any BJJ school in the country and watch it 6 days a week until my little heart was content. And that's pretty much what GSP's fights look like.
    Well, in the UFC we generally don't see people bicycling their legs from under side control or trying to bench press their way out of being mounted, or turning onto their stomach when someone's on top of them.
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    Would you declare someone the winner of a fight if they spent 80% of it squashed like a bug?
    No I think GSP won that fight fair and square, I also think he's a better fighter than Diaz. It just seems that the current ruleset favours wrestling for points a bit too much. For example intuitively for me Condit had (barely) the upper hand.

    GSP just outstruck Diaz, but not to hurt him, it was part of his excellent gameplan of neutralizing and winning on points. It's fine, I also admire his technical and athletic superiority, it's just not what I prefer to see in a fight.
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    IRT: Demon Eyes...

    I know what your getting at, it's what a lot of other people are saying that are making sense of the other side of the criticism. But just some simple stats...
    =last 7 fights=
    Jone Jones Bones: KO's:2 Subs: 4 Decisions: 1
    Anderson Silva: KO's:5 Subs: 1 Decisions: 1
    George Pierre: KO's:1 Subs: 0 Decisions: 6 (his last six went to decision/he clearly won most if not all of them, put a hurtin on my man Koscheck even though it was a decision and yada yada) It's pretty clear in terms of finishing skills, Silva and Bones as of late just get the job finished, George don't...

    I agree, new GSP fights a smart winners fight, but it's boring as ****. I'm not heading out to see him any more. I'll sprint to a bar or split a PPV to watch Silva or Bones fight any fucking day, end of story, you could put Ronda Rousey on that list too. I suspect Silva will finish GSP if that fight goes down and I hope it does.

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    If you go back in GSP's record further, he's got more decisions than the other fighters of current note but he's also got a litany of impressive Knock Out and Submission wins over tough guys, that were amazing to watch, he was an artist back then, much like Silva and Jones still are. What I am asking for is basically that oldschool, hungry/fresh champion GSP back. It might not be as safe of a gameplan for his record but as a fan, I don't tune in just so the fighters wikipedia pages show all green Win boxes. I tune in for a show, and GSP stopped putting on good shows basically after he fought BJ Penn.

    I love the guy, GSP is clearly an amazingly talented fighter, but he's putting his records safety and champion status in the way of what he's really capable of and has shown us with mastery before. That just sucks. It works, but it sucks. Bring back the hungry GSP, the guy who finished fights and put on epic shows and I'll shut the **** up kindly.
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    IRT: Demon Eyes...

    I know what your getting at, it's what a lot of other people are saying that are making sense of the other side of the criticism. But just some simple stats...
    =last 7 fights=
    Jone Jones Bones: KO's:2 Subs: 4 Decisions: 1
    Anderson Silva: KO's:5 Subs: 1 Decisions: 1
    George Pierre: KO's:1 Subs: 0 Decisions: 6 (his last six went to decision/he clearly won most if not all of them, put a hurtin on my man Koscheck even though it was a decision and yada yada) It's pretty clear in terms of finishing skills, Silva and Bones as of late just get the job finished, George don't...

    I agree, new GSP fights a smart winners fight, but it's boring as ****. I'm not heading out to see him any more. I'll sprint to a bar or split a PPV to watch Silva or Bones fight any fucking day, end of story, you could put Ronda Rousey on that list too. I suspect Silva will finish GSP if that fight goes down and I hope it does.

    non-hate portion:
    If you go back in GSP's record further, he's got more decisions than the other fighters of current note but he's also got a litany of impressive Knock Out and Submission wins over tough guys, that were amazing to watch, he was an artist back then, much like Silva and Jones still are. What I am asking for is basically that oldschool, hungry/fresh champion GSP back. It might not be as safe of a gameplan for his record but as a fan, I don't tune in just so the fighters wikipedia pages show all green Win boxes. I tune in for a show, and GSP stopped putting on good shows basically after he fought BJ Penn.

    I love the guy, GSP is clearly an amazingly talented fighter, but he's putting his records safety and champion status in the way of what he's really capable of and has shown us with mastery before. That just sucks. It works, but it sucks. Bring back the hungry GSP, the guy who finished fights and put on epic shows and I'll shut the **** up kindly.
    I guess this leads into the argument: are they fighting to win, or fighting to entertain? I dunno what's in their contract etc.

    I mean it's great if they can win and entertain, duh.

    As his JOB, he needs job security. He can still play this calculated and safe, people have said 'boring' to watch, style of winning and I say all the more to him. This is his income, this is his life, this is his job.

    How often every day do you take flairish risks in your job? I'd say probably few if any, you want to get through it, and spend your "spare" time on things you really want to do like training ;).

    He wins fights, he stays champion, he keeps his job, he keeps his income. I really liked how he fought against Nick, in compaision to some of the previous fights that I was actually kind of 'meh' about. He looked really good, and while it wasn't a flashy finish so far no one has really challenged him beyond what he's amazing at, I feel: Taking people down, controlling them, and dealing damage—if he can, finish the fight safely, if not he wins on decision grinding them out.
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    Yeah, fair enough. That all sounds accurate to me and I agree with what you've said, I just don't like the reality of it. Funny enough, I'd rather watch St. Pierre training.... I'm not being weird or even joking, that would be more interesting.
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    I guess this leads into the argument: are they fighting to win, or fighting to entertain? I dunno what's in their contract etc.
    They're fighting in a big part to entertain. It's not a sport in the olympic sense, otherwise they're would be a system of competition and chael sonnen wouldn't get a title shot. In a combat sambo or fila mma comp I'd never criticize someone for playing the rules, but MMA is different. It's about entertainment, money, sport and violence.
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