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  1. tgace is online now
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    If facing death in service to something isn't an aspect of the job I don't think the title applies.

    While death in the ring happens...so does does death while driving to work at the widget factory...the risk of death should be in service to your "clan/tribe/nation/community/etc" to apply IMO.

    And I think some folks ascribe some sort of "nobility" to the title that doesn't necessarily belong. Some Taliban fighter can be as much a "Warrior" for their side as a Marine can be for ours.
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    And they were still "warriors" back when our own government was funding their rise to power ^_^


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    And they were still "warriors" back when our own government was funding their rise to power ^_^
    True.

    Just for conversational purposes...

    When it comes to warfighting and being a warrior is being an “ethical or good person” really a prerequisite? As long as the warrior accomplishes his mission, obeys orders and follows the laws of war he is a “good” warrior. The way I see it, dedication to the “art and craft” of war, technical and tactical proficiency, skill at arms and courage in battle are the “core” of being a warrior. Ethical and moral expectations of the warrior are a variable that can change depending on the culture, historic period and political history we are looking at.

    Being a “hero” or a villain is a subjective thing. Hitler WAS a hero to the German people, at least for a while. He was a villain to others. There is no doubt that the Mongols, the Vikings, the German SS, were excellent warriors. One can desire to emulate their military skill, however I would hope that nobody would admire the rest of their actions.
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    Personally I find the word frays at its edges. It makes for good copy but comes off like you actually took that Wolves/Dogs/Sheepdogs essay seriously if you say it in real life. Ethics, I think, is an independent subject and applies no more or less to people who fight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tgace View Post
    Being a “hero” or a villain is a subjective thing. Hitler WAS a hero to the German people, at least for a while. He was a villain to others. There is no doubt that the Mongols, the Vikings, the German SS, were excellent warriors. One can desire to emulate their military skill, however I would hope that nobody would admire the rest of their actions.
    I, for one, wouldn't mind being able to ride like a Mongol, ship-build like a Viking and rock cool apparel like a member of the SS. Skill is skill, and there may not be as neat a division as some might think between military-related actions and "the rest".
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    Re: A Ninja Ex-Marine Captain Speaks: What It Means to Be a Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by tgace View Post
    Being a “hero” or a villain is a subjective thing. Hitler WAS a hero to the German people, at least for a while. He was a villain to others. There is no doubt that the Mongols, the Vikings, the German SS, were excellent warriors. One can desire to emulate their military skill, however I would hope that nobody would admire the rest of their actions.
    Umm, Hitler should be commended for a quite a few of his actions. For starters, he actually cared about the welfare of his people; a trait few leaders possess. The guy mass produced (reliable) cars to be sold for low prices across Germany. He invented the fucking highway. He volunteered to be on the front lines, serving his country. Do I really need to keep going?

    And what did the Vikings and Mongols do that was so terrible, that hasn't been emulated to the nth degree, and goes against human (read: animal) nature?
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    i really think that those who can't get their head around the bowing thing (because their angry sky daddy will punish them) don't deserve judo. life is full of choices, and if your bronze age superstitions are holding you back, so be it.
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    I've heard great (albeit anecdotal) things about Jack Hoban, both as a martial artist and a person in general. He teaches Booj down at the Shore, yes. But he is really not the story here, because of the status of poor Jack's wiki page: shredded

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ion/Jack_Hoban

    Dr. Humphrey's book on universal ethics, "Values for a New Millenium", is an eye opening work. Part autobiography, part exposition on universal human values, from a veteran-philosopher.

    And of course being a notable person, Dr. Humphrey actually has an active wiki page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Humphrey
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    Quote Originally Posted by itwasntme View Post
    And what did the Vikings and Mongols do that was so terrible, that hasn't been emulated to the nth degree, and goes against human (read: animal) nature?
    I'm not going to defend hitler. The mongols however, were actually pretty radical. They let everyone who submitted* live their lives as before, did not force religion on people or anything. The taxes just went to different people, who actually did all kinds of things with it. (pony express type deal across Eurasia for example).

    The vikings were a bunch of raiders basically, they barely fought anyone that could defend themselves. Their skill was having ships that could speedily go inland a whole bunch and then retreat, so that they could strike anywhere and the local lord would always be too late with his troops.

    *They did kill you, your family, friends, animals, offspring, things you had looked at once, and burned it to the ground if you did not submit.
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    He invented the fucking highway.
    Nope.

    I'd also argue that his "caring about the welfare of his people" was pretty much always part of his building his cult, since most of it was handed out in combination with lots of propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itwasntme View Post
    Umm, Hitler should be commended for a quite a few of his actions. For starters, he actually cared about the welfare of his people; a trait few leaders possess. The guy mass produced (reliable) cars to be sold for low prices across Germany. He invented the fucking highway. He volunteered to be on the front lines, serving his country. Do I really need to keep going?

    And what did the Vikings and Mongols do that was so terrible, that hasn't been emulated to the nth degree, and goes against human (read: animal) nature?
    For an interesting insight on how it was back than from a German's point of view. Go read Hans Fallada's "Alone in Berlin". It is a very good book.
    Hitler and the Nazi party were also lethally horrible not just towards the jews, gays, but also towards the communists, liberals etc. Thinking that he was good to his people is false. Ask the women of Berlin.
    Seriously though, read about the author, and this book, you would not regret it.
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