Obama raising Black army to kill whites

[ChuckWepner]

One should note companies like JP Morgan Chase are not evil. They simply are amoral and singular in their legally mandated objective to get the maxium return on investment of its share holders. Given the fact that it is a publicly traded company this is its only objective and only craves power to this end. Profit is not an imororal thing in of its self. No NWO crainess here just typical human behavoir.

Well, except that the people who run these corporations do often violate laws and regulations (and did so flagrantly and frequently in the lead-up to the financial collapse). So, having the same group of insiders in charge of regulating the industry doesn't seem like an unquestionably prudent idea. And it isn't a case of "set a thief to catch a thief," because the financial old guard at the top of Treasury (on the permanent circuit between the top Wall Street firms, the top Washington finance posts, and the top university / think tank positions) blocked any attempt at law enforcement or at serious reform in the wake of the massive malfeasance.

Also, corporations don't crave anything. They are legal fictions. The people who run them crave all sorts of power, wealth, and influence that often goes well beyond doing what is best for the shareholders, as can be seen in the astronomical salaries, bonuses, and benefits they pay themselves and each other, even when they perform their jobs disastrously poorly.

Finally, corporations (including publicly traded ones) have other obligations besides the obligation to maximize benefit to shareholders. The usual way of putting this in Business Ethics intros these days is to point out that there are other "stakeholders" besides the shareholders. For example, corporations have obligations not to treat their employees in illegal or unethical ways. They also have obligations to their customers not to cheat them, sell them defective goods, deceive them, etc.

There are other less obvious and somewhat more controversial cases. But since society at large, through its representative government, licenses the very existence of corporations, corporations plainly owe society some kind of return. And, of course, corporations depend on all sorts of ongoing services and resources made available by the government and by the continuous cooperation of the rest of society. In theory, corporations repay at least some of these debts through taxation, but some argue that they have further obligations to act for the general good in addition to paying taxes.

[Resonance10]

Chuck. Can I borrow your brain and edgyoukashun? I'll give it back I promise.
You could be more obnoxious though, I've only seen you give crap to W.Rabbit and MaartenSFS. Remember where you are.

[Devil]

I feel like I should get a grade after sitting through Chuck's long, stuffy lectures.

[Vieux Normand]

I feel like I should get a grade after sitting through Chuck's long, stuffy lectures.

How about a passing grade for passing on them?

[submessenger]

But since society at large, through its representative government, licenses the very existence of corporations, corporations plainly owe society some kind of return. And, of course, corporations depend on all sorts of ongoing services and resources made available by the government and by the continuous cooperation of the rest of society.

"God, you're a lot of trouble," said Government. "I could get along so easy and so nice if I didn't have you on my tail. I could live so easy and maybe have a girl."

For a moment, Corporations lay quiet, and then said hopefully, "We gonna work on a new economy, Government."

[patfromlogan]

I should clarify: people disagree with equal access to the facts.

No they don't. I've talked to both Obama supporters and detractors and almost all have no idea of the facts.
I found this lack of knowledge particularly striking in the early days of the Iraq war. I realize that many here were actually minors or children ten years ago, and many grew up with the US at multiple wars. In the early days there were many supporters of the war and they mostly were misiformed (the Fox news viewers believing in Saddam's ties to Al Qida, WMD etc) or uniformed, simply ignorant of history and current events. But they had "gut" reactions...

[patfromlogan]

One should note companies like JP Morgan Chase are not evil. They simply are amoral and singular in their legally mandated objective to get the maxium return on investment of its share holders. Given the fact that it is a publicly traded company this is its only objective and only craves power to this end. Profit is not an imororal thing in of its self. No NWO crainess here just typical human behavoir.

Corporations are like families in that both often show characteristics over time that may be negative or positive. Bush/Walkers are the classic example of families on the edge, or over it, of criminal behavior, war profiteering, gains based on associations with spies, crooked officials, and criminals. An example in the corporate world would be City Bank of New York, now name Citicorp. Colliers Encyclopedia writes that by the end of the first decade of the last century they'd taken over the Nicaraguan economy (export agriculture; they took over much of the productive land and pretty much gave the traditional bean and corn growing peasants a choice, work for peanuts or starve). By 1911 the country was in revolt, by 1912 the USMC took over, stayed twenty years and set up the Samosa family dictatorship. That's just history and I dare say, disgusting and evil.

One of my mentors was manning a political table once at Utah State back in the 80s when Reagan was busy selling arms to Iran, importing coke, and slaughtering peasants in Central America. A young Mormon man started arguing about stopping the commies and my mentor said, "Well that's one thing, but what I'm concerned with is the benefits and health for children." The conversation changed because they now had common ground of caring.

When looked at this way it is easy to consider a corporation such as United Fruit evil. You don't have to justify their evil by their complicity in the assassination of Arbenz, one can just consider malnutrition and infant mortality that results from wholesale appropriation of farm lands by corporations.

[patfromlogan]

Now that I've read all of Chuck's posts I wish I could steal his brain and I should rewrite or delete some of the above. Your reply to Mike is better than mine. Jesus Chuck, could you STOP making sense. We need more name calling and emotions around here!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mike321]

No they don't. I've talked to both Obama supporters and detractors and almost all have no idea of the facts.
I found this lack of knowledge particularly striking in the early days of the Iraq war. I realize that many here were actually minors or children ten years ago, and many grew up with the US at multiple wars. In the early days there were many supporters of the war and they mostly were misiformed (the Fox news viewers believing in Saddam's ties to Al Qida, WMD etc) or uniformed, simply ignorant of history and current events. But they had "gut" reactions...

Yes they do! Otherwise you are saying people with your same level of knowledge of the facts will always agree with you. Your example of ignorant people does not refute this in any way. Additionally, if you educate these ignorant people, it is highly unlikely that they will walk in lockstep with your views! People simply don't work that way. This is what leads to you crossing the conspiracy line. I know that no amount of research and education will get people to agree with and follow my agenda. You miss this crucial point. You also in my opinion overestimate your knowledge of events. You find very interesting information in your research and I often respond to your posts because I cannot dismiss what you find as nonsense. I generally respect what you have to say even when I don't agree. But you don't seem to guard yourself against "conspiracy theory".

[Resonance10]

Now that I've read all of Chuck's posts I wish I could steal his brain and I should rewrite or delete some of the above. Your reply to Mike is better than mine. Jesus Chuck, could you STOP making sense. We need more name calling and emotions around here!!!!!!!!!!!!

HEY!! I asked first! I was only asking to borrow not steal his brainz... you is GREEDY!
There's probably enough to go around going by the lengths of his posts.