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    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    Very True. The media sensationalizes the misdeeds of all the rogues; there is no need to do stories on everyday cops just doing what they're supposed to do. It doesn't sell and nobody really cares.
    Okay, just understand that cops aren't being somehow "singled-out" by media for this treatment. If I drive home without incident, it won't make any headlines. If I'm involved in a fiery multi-vehicle crash, it will get media attention because--as pointed out--that's the sort of thing that sells copy. Same goes for anyone else, regardless of job description.

    Now, just so my opinion of police is not misunderstood ("skateboards" 'n' whatnot), here is a perspective you may or may not have considered:

    You've had a fucking shitty ten-plus-hour shift in which you had to break up a number of fights in some douche-magnet club (with no duty-belts full of toys to help, and backup nowhere near as fast as it should be). You've had to write up a number of incident reports listing the number of punches you've eaten, bottles swung at you, and any other stupidity you've had to deal with without losing your temper, regardless of the provocation.

    It's 0400 and you're finally heading home to your family. The club district, being replete with venues that all close at the same time, is full of morons calling each other out, throwing down, whatever. To avoid all this merriment (also, you're known in the district) you decide to walk home via a relatively-quiet side street.

    You're about halfway home when--just like the week/night before--a cruiser pulls up beside you. Why the officers in it aren't on the district's main drag, where there's obviously actual **** for LEOs to deal with, you don't know. You're asked to wait while your ID is checked. While this is going on, the officers--plainly nervous about something (but it can't be anything you did, since you've been totally cordial and co-operative)--have called for backup. Soon there are two, then three, then up to six cruisers parked next to you while the young guns who first stopped you (there's no way they could even have been born when you started breaking up fights to pay your tuition, decades before) dig and dig and dig for anything at all. (Full disclosure: I have no criminal record, have never been arrested or charged and have not so much as a parking ticket to my name).

    Their apparent nervousness turns to disappointment, then seeming resentment, as they find the person they stopped had no reason to whatsoever to be stopped (other than the obvious fact that they didn't like the way he looked). Unable to find anything after a good half-hour of database-fu, they realise they must either charge you with something or allow you to continue your homeward journey.

    That is a description of my walks home about 50% of the nights I work. More than one city. It's been this way for as long as I've worked the stupid fucking jobs I've had.

    See? No lib-left whining, no skateboard.

    Only the observation that people might view police with a less jaundiced eye if the latter would just go after criminals and leave ordinary people the **** alone. If you can't fight actual crime and must rely on annoying regular folk to justify the tax dollars spent on training and equipping you, get another fucking job. This is not only a matter concocted by the media. It's a result of personal experience, and not just mine: it's one shared by all too many ordinary non-criminals.

    EDIT: Apologies for the wall of text.
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    One of my biggest problems with cops is the lack of accountability. They police themselves and have a habit of excusing behaviors from fellow officers that they would arrest a civilian for doing.



    The woman in this video has cerebral palsy. Her only crime was having difficulty walking. The pig who did that was "punished" with 1 days paid vacation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    Their apparent nervousness turns to disappointment, then seeming resentment, as they find the person they stopped had no reason to whatsoever to be stopped (other than the obvious fact that they didn't like the way he looked). Unable to find anything after a good half-hour of database-fu, they realise they must either charge you with something or allow you to continue your homeward journey.

    That is a description of my walks home about 50% of the nights I work. More than one city. It's been this way for as long as I've worked the stupid fucking jobs I've had.
    If these officers could not articulate their suspicions or reason for contact, they should not have stopped you, period! I would never attempt to defend the actions of officers who violate The Constitution. Courts have held that the standard for police is reasonableness. I don't have to be right, I only have to be reasonable. If I am roving around at 04:00, have suspicions about your behavior and try to stop you, I am going to tell you why I stopped you and thank you for your time when our encounter is over.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    Only the observation that people might view police with a less jaundiced eye if the latter would just go after criminals and leave ordinary people the **** alone. If you can't fight actual crime and must rely on annoying regular folk to justify the tax dollars spent on training and equipping you, get another fucking job. This is not only a matter concocted by the media. It's a result of personal experience, and not just mine: it's one shared by all too many ordinary non-criminals.
    Some cops don't understand the law (what THEY can and cannot do). I won't try to explain this or to justify it. Agencies and supervisors have to train this mentality out of their people or get rid of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middlefinger View Post
    One of my biggest problems with cops is the lack of accountability. They police themselves and have a habit of excusing behaviors from fellow officers that they would arrest a civilian for doing.
    Where I come from, there is a great deal of accountability. In car video clears officers of wrongdoing in about 90% of complaints for use of force and other violations of citizen rights.

    I will defend a fellow officer to the end, if he is righteous. I don't know the exact scenario on the video you posted, but if it is as it appears, those guys are wrong and should be punished. Wrong is wrong whether or not it is a cop or a plumber.

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    Using the term "cops are...." is about as fair as saying "blacks are..." don't pigeonhole me for what some tools in cities on the other side of the country are doing .
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    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    If these officers could not articulate their suspicions or reason for contact, they should not have stopped you, period!
    As you are well aware, they can come up with any "reason". The one I hear most often is the classic "we're on the lookout for someone who matches your description".

    The most surreal occurrence I've had was after working a couple of clubs on Canada's west coast. After a good forty-minute 4 AM database-fu search regarding someone "who looked like me"--and having finally conceded that I wasn't the "person who resembles me" they were supposedly looking for--one of the cops actually handed me a fucking business card and said "By the way, if you're interested, we're recruiting".

    Seriously.

    After spending a sizable chunk of time apparently doing their utmost to change a normal person into a confirmed cop-hater, they then tell that same individual--before finally and magnanimously allowing him to continue on his journey homeward--that they're "recruiting".

    Priceless.

    In any case, you're doubtless correct in that I'm overgeneralizing with regards to an entire profession. It's a sad commentary on humanity: we all have our bad habits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    As you are well aware, they can come up with any "reason". The one I hear most often is the classic "we're on the lookout for someone who matches your description".
    I'm not going to fool myself into believing this doesn't happen. If I pulled that kind of **** and caught a complaint, I'd better have documentation (radio-calls, documented citizen report, etc.) to substantiate my claim. We can go fishing to some degree, but out and out fucking with people is a really bad idea.

    I had a bad experience with a waitress at Pizza Hut one time; I just didn't visit that place until I found out she had quit and moved away. Dealing with law enforcement isn't like a place where I can take my business elsewhere. I choose to treat people as I would like to be treated. There are jerks in every profession, trade and job classification though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    I had a bad experience with a waitress at Pizza Hut one time; I just didn't visit that place until I found out she had quit and moved away. Dealing with law enforcement isn't like a place where I can take my business elsewhere. I choose to treat people as I would like to be treated. There are jerks in every profession, trade and job classification though.
    Once upon a time, the depth of my naïveté was such that I actually believed that, if I had nothing to do with crime, I'd have nothing to do with cops.

    I actually thought that I lived in a separate world from that in which cops and criminals played their cat-and-mouse game, and that this game would never involve me as long as I stayed on the right side of the law.

    Weird--isn't it?--what fucked-up **** people gullible will believe, before reality asserts itself.
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    The cops in my home town in Bosnia are some of the most annoying people ever. I don't know exactly whats the deal, they apparently have some kind of quota to fill.

    Anyway, they are stopping young people left and right, and asking for ID. You go about your business, and then a cop jumps out of bushes and IDs you. They write your information in their little cop notebook, and off you go.

    Most of them are polite about it to the best of their abilities, but I experienced a few cases of obnoxious morons that filled me with facekick rage. My interaction with a certain female cop is the closest I got to committing assault.

    The traffic cops are a story in itself. Some are gotten so arrogant, that they won't even hide that they are looking for a bribe. All of my encounters with them ended in the best possible way. For some reason, they left me off the hook multiple times, when I was ridiculously speeding.

    I don't see this **** happening in other towns.
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