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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Even more so for what would be here an illegal search and seizure.
    Yeah, here, the government entity would be writing you a check to settle a civil-rights lawsuit and to compensate you for property.

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    Short answer no we can't - if it is seized for some reason and is OPEN then yes we can, but sealed liquor seized or otherwise we have no authority to do so
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    Short answer no we can't - if it is seized for some reason and is OPEN then yes we can, but sealed liquor seized or otherwise we have no authority to do so
    Um, yeah, the most certain way to tell what cops will do is whether or not they're authorized to do it. Just ask anyone from Rodney King to Robert Djiekanski.

    Look at whom the cops protect: established interests whose families were founded by robber-baron lawbreakers who, at some point, earned enough from their rackets to purchase legitimacy. This makes cops no different from mob enforcers, except for the dorky uniforms.

    Once you understand this, you'll realize your basic and stark choice: arm, train and otherwise prepare yourself for any encounters cops may provoke with you because they're too stupid to catch actual criminals--or just be the bitch of some power-tripping little twentynothings just because they have badges. Your choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    Once you understand this, you'll realize your basic and stark choice: arm, train and otherwise prepare yourself for any encounters cops may provoke with you because they're too stupid to catch actual criminals--or just be the bitch of some power-tripping little twentynothings just because they have badges. Your choice.
    Did the bad policeman take your skateboard too?? I didn't let the years I spent on campus brainwash me; obviously something soaked here.

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    "cops stopped a car of a friend of mine, asked to open the trunk, found a 12pack of beer, opened each bottle and slowly dumped it all away...
    For clarity, I want to know what the law in Canada says about this.
    Just be grateful that you don't live in the US between 1919 and 1933 (or in various parts of Canada sporadically in the early 1900s). In the US in the 1920s, this kind of obscenity was shown openly in newsreels in movie theaters to any child with a nickel looking for a wholesome day of racist cartoons, glamorized gangsters, and cowboy gunplay. They would sit down innocently with their box of Cracker Jack and glass bottle of soda, to be scarred for life by filth like this:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    This makes cops no different from mob enforcers, except for the dorky uniforms.
    There's nothing dorky about this uniform!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    Did the bad policeman take your skateboard too?
    Try to save a little space, will you?

    "Bad policeman"--like "corrupt cop"--is redundant.

    They took that skateboard so quickly I never even had a chance to own one. Must have been one of those pre-emptive actions la Minority Report.

    I didn't let the years I spent on campus brainwash me...
    Makes two of us: my campus years were spent in the athletics department. Not much lefty ideology there, I'm afraid.

    obviously something soaked here.
    The guy you're thinking of wants to borrow your gloves.

    EDIT: Try to get over this idea that everyone who has no use for cops is some sort of skinny-ass left-wing undergradical. Contempt for cops is somewhat more widespread, among working taxpayers, than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    Try to get over this idea that everyone who has no use for cops is some sort of skinny-ass left-wing undergradical. Contempt for cops is somewhat more widespread, among working taxpayers, than that.
    I feel your pain; I've been a working taxpayer myself since 1980. I have contempt for government waste and fraud as well as the small percentage (estimated 3%) of cops who are hypocrites and ones who are actually corrupt. 97% of us are honest, hard-working citizens, not abusers of authority and violators of civil rights.

    BTW, I never called you skinny LOL.

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    I think the problem for cops is no one notices if you just go about your duty, protecting and serving, but every one remembers the dick head police man that <insert misscarraige of justice> all up in your ****
    Very True. The media sensationalizes the misdeeds of all the rogues; there is no need to do stories on everyday cops just doing what they're supposed to do. It doesn't sell and nobody really cares.
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    I think the profesion does attract young men and women with a huge chip on thier shoulders, unfotunately, who are the people that you least want with a badge and a gun/truncheon
    Also true; it can and does attract immature people who didn't get enough hugs as a child. The background investigation, psychological and polygraph usually weed them out (about 97% of the time). Most of the time, it draws people who want to serve and to give back; occasionally, it pulls in a few who want to take.

    I left an industrial career (Brown & Root--Halliburton) and took a $30,000 annual pay cut to do what I love doing. Conversely, I work with a guy who couldn't make it as a stock clerk at Wal-Mart; a cop job was a huge pay increase for him. He brings nothing to the table in the way of people skills; since he is locked in with seniority and all, he is there for the duration.

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    Very True. The media sensationalizes the misdeeds of all the rogues; there is no need to do stories on everyday cops just doing what they're supposed to do. It doesn't sell and nobody really cares.
    Okay, just understand that cops aren't being somehow "singled-out" by media for this treatment. If I drive home without incident, it won't make any headlines. If I'm involved in a fiery multi-vehicle crash, it will get media attention because--as pointed out--that's the sort of thing that sells copy. Same goes for anyone else, regardless of job description.

    Now, just so my opinion of police is not misunderstood ("skateboards" 'n' whatnot), here is a perspective you may or may not have considered:

    You've had a fucking shitty ten-plus-hour shift in which you had to break up a number of fights in some douche-magnet club (with no duty-belts full of toys to help, and backup nowhere near as fast as it should be). You've had to write up a number of incident reports listing the number of punches you've eaten, bottles swung at you, and any other stupidity you've had to deal with without losing your temper, regardless of the provocation.

    It's 0400 and you're finally heading home to your family. The club district, being replete with venues that all close at the same time, is full of morons calling each other out, throwing down, whatever. To avoid all this merriment (also, you're known in the district) you decide to walk home via a relatively-quiet side street.

    You're about halfway home when--just like the week/night before--a cruiser pulls up beside you. Why the officers in it aren't on the district's main drag, where there's obviously actual **** for LEOs to deal with, you don't know. You're asked to wait while your ID is checked. While this is going on, the officers--plainly nervous about something (but it can't be anything you did, since you've been totally cordial and co-operative)--have called for backup. Soon there are two, then three, then up to six cruisers parked next to you while the young guns who first stopped you (there's no way they could even have been born when you started breaking up fights to pay your tuition, decades before) dig and dig and dig for anything at all. (Full disclosure: I have no criminal record, have never been arrested or charged and have not so much as a parking ticket to my name).

    Their apparent nervousness turns to disappointment, then seeming resentment, as they find the person they stopped had no reason to whatsoever to be stopped (other than the obvious fact that they didn't like the way he looked). Unable to find anything after a good half-hour of database-fu, they realise they must either charge you with something or allow you to continue your homeward journey.

    That is a description of my walks home about 50% of the nights I work. More than one city. It's been this way for as long as I've worked the stupid fucking jobs I've had.

    See? No lib-left whining, no skateboard.

    Only the observation that people might view police with a less jaundiced eye if the latter would just go after criminals and leave ordinary people the **** alone. If you can't fight actual crime and must rely on annoying regular folk to justify the tax dollars spent on training and equipping you, get another fucking job. This is not only a matter concocted by the media. It's a result of personal experience, and not just mine: it's one shared by all too many ordinary non-criminals.

    EDIT: Apologies for the wall of text.
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