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    Another one bites the dust.

    Sucks that another officer died, but glad he finally went down and it's over. Unless of course, he is hudini and that body is not his. I doubt it though. Looks like he didn't have everything planned out quit as good as it looked at first.
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    Smart people learn from other people's mistakes. In this case, Dorner should've learned from John J. Rambo.

    I've always wondered, why oh why, Johnny did you go back to town after you were left for dead in the mine? You missed your chance to slip away. Spiteful bastard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    Plays music...

    Another one bites the dust.

    Sucks that another officer died, but glad he finally went down and it's over. Unless of course, he is hudini and that body is not his. I doubt it though. Looks like he didn't have everything planned out quit as good as it looked at first.
    Right on cue, conspiratards are asking how Dorner's ID card(s) could have "survived a fire that left his body charred". Duh. Lots of ways that might happen, unless every single molecule in the cabin was completely carbonated. Nevertheless, no doubt the "he's-still-out-there" crap will keep surfacing in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

    In any case, Dorner clearly didn't expect to get out of this alive. He might have wanted to kill more cops before he "retired", but if his objective was to scare the **** out of many of them, he seems to have succeeded in that. Like rockets Hezbollah rains down on Israel: those launching them know they won't often hit anyone; their objective is to create an atmosphere of fear.

    So, if what Dorner wanted to do was scare a lot of cops and go out with a bang, then--as much of a pissoff as it is to write this--he got what he wanted, died on his own terms, and is beyond anyone's justice and ridicule now.

    What needs to happen next? Try to find measures that minimize any chances for recurrence of this whole thing. No doubt, those involved are on that as we speak.

    Any way to eliminate completely any possibility that it might happen again? Last I checked, humans aren't machines and don't come with 100% guarantees. Nature of the beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    What needs to happen next?
    Not a damn thing. Bad **** happens. People can't accept that fact. People need to keep protecting themselves the best they can. Sometimes it won't be enough. Nobody died because of any failures that need to be fixed. We don't always need to kneejerk and dance like trained monkeys every time something bad happens.

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    On the contrary, one "necesary change" this episode HAS brough to light is the cavalier and reckless attitude many SOCAL police departments have towards public safety.

    They are going to suffer more from lawsuits and a loss of good faith than anything Dorner could have realisticaly inflicted upon them himself.

    IMHO, this is a case of two extreme wrongs making and even bigger, stupider wrong.

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    I saw on what looked to be CNN that some members of the press are now claiming that the radio transmissions of the LEOs circling the cabin indicate they set the place on fire deliberately. I hope that's not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Machette View Post
    On the contrary, one "necesary change" this episode HAS brough to light is the cavalier and reckless attitude many SOCAL police departments have towards public safety.

    They are going to suffer more from lawsuits and a loss of good faith than anything Dorner could have realisticaly inflicted upon them himself.

    IMHO, this is a case of two extreme wrongs making and even bigger, stupider wrong.
    This is a good point. I wasn't thinking about it from that angle.

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    Well their should be camera footage, so I would hope they have enough sense not to do that. But this is the same group that shot up a random truck without a warning, so yeah.
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    I know the answer, ban all guns especially assault rifles. Only let military, LEOS and security have them.

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    I know the answer, ban all guns especially assault rifles. Only let military, LEOS and security have them.
    We already tried that one.

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