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  1. OwlMatt is offline

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    Andrew did mention him earlier, to be fair.
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    I wasn't talking about bring a pro fighter either. I'm talking about the belief that taekwondo is -- or even ever was -- an effective fighting or self-defense system. I have never seen any evidence that supports this belief.
    Why do you feel it cannot be used as an effective fighting or self defense system?
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    I don't mean to blow your question off, Miguksaram, but I've embarrassed myself enough in this thread.
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    To say that taekwondo clubs have "sold out" and don't teach realistic fighting anymore, you must first assert that taekwondo was ever a realistic fighting system. I think you'd have a hard time providing any strong evidence for that.
    Actually if you look at the ROK Marines during Vietnam, any unarmed combat was TKD. Go to some of the more seedier areas of Korea and you will see TKD being used in realistic defense and offense (not all the time mind you but it happens). Even if you see it will you know it is TKD being used in a realistic situation?

    I think the shift toward sport in taekwondo is a good thing. I think it encourages taekwondo players to focus on taekwondo's real benefits -- that is, physical fitness and opportunity for competition -- rather than the unrealistic dream of becoming a fighter. You become a fighter by fighting, not by training in a taekwondo dojang.
    There are a lot more benefits to TKD than what you have mentioned, but I agree the only way to become a good fighter is to fight. It doesn't matter what system you study, if you want to be a fighter, you have to fight.
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    I don't mean to blow your question off, Miguksaram, but I've embarrassed myself enough in this thread.
    I'm not trying to embarrass you. I am just curious simply because I have heard this many times. I have been involved in the Korean arts since '84. I have seen the shift in "old school" to "new school" to "if it feels right just do it". I personally feel that the art is a good one. It is not perfect, but can be effective. It just depends on the teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguksaram View Post
    I'm not trying to embarrass you. I am just curious simply because I have heard this many times. I have been involved in the Korean arts since '84. I have seen the shift in "old school" to "new school" to "if it feels right just do it". I personally feel that the art is a good one. It is not perfect, but can be effective. It just depends on the teacher.
    Thank you! That is exactly the point I was making! But OwlMatt would not listen or take it as anything convincing. Oh well!

    I remember when my first TKD teacher in Oregon taught more basic and hard Taekwondo with a focus on self defense escapes, and one steps that were more "combatives" style. Later my instructor changed his school's name and sold out and became a total mcdojang during my time. I got my black belt and went to the junior olympics under that teacher. But I tested for black belt at his teachers gym. His teacher was a highly respected 9th dan Kukkiwon grandmaster who had a history of teaching Korean/Vietnamese/American special forces during the war. The man was in his late 60's and he is now dead. But he also had a high ranked black belt in Judo and specifically wanted it to be known Taekwondo is a Martial Art first and a sport second. In fact he asked me a question "What is Taekwondo?" during my 1st dan test and I had to answer that it was a system of fighting and martial art, and then after that it is also a sport. Thus my conclusion that the original intention of Taekwondo was for combat and not just to make a kicking sport and poomsae competition.


    Since then I trained under another Korean 9th dan in Kentucky who also died. His attitude was similar and very harsh. He had 2 sons who are total badasses as well and each also run their own schools. But who knows they could possibly have turned mcdojang for the money but it does not negate their skill.

    The problem is people need money and they want to live off of Taekwondo. Lots of times it is hard to get people to stick with training if it is too hard then bills come. So they "sell out" and stop teaching the hardcore aspects of Taekwondo and focus on sparring and poomsae competition and doing demos that are very flashy. I just took the more serious attitudes that rubbed off onto me from my training history and now teach that way to my students.
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    TAekwondo flashy kicks can hurt people if used at the right moment. You can catch people off guard, all though it is rare to accomplish such a thing it does happen and here is proof:





    And here is a guy on youtube who is a Taekwondo fighter who is also an MMA fighter and has a fight record. He explains his opinion about why Taekwondo is a great style for fighting and if used right works. He explains the pros and cons of Taekwondo. This is part 2 of his talk on traditional martial arts in MMA.


    Annnnnd just for the sake of total cuteness to lighten up the mood here this is another reason Taekwondo is super effective!!!
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    Thank you! That is exactly the point I was making! But OwlMatt would not listen or take it as anything convincing. Oh well!
    Nothing you wrote was as succinct as Migurks post. Now, stop with the logical fallacies.
    TAekwondo flashy kicks can hurt people if used at the right moment. You can catch people off guard, all though it is rare to accomplish such a thing it does happen and here is proof:
    You are now venturing into high and low percentage techniques. That is an entirely different discussion. Oh and you nutriding cheerleading led to this debacle. Yes, in the same vein as a chunner.
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    And here is a guy on youtube who is a Taekwondo fighter who is also an MMA fighter and has a fight record. He explains his opinion about why Taekwondo is a great style for fighting and if used right works. He explains the pros and cons of Taekwondo. This is part 2 of his talk on traditional martial arts in MMA.


    Annnnnd just for the sake of total cuteness to lighten up the mood here this is another reason Taekwondo is super effective!!!
    There was only one thing I disagreed with about his comments but we need to recruit this guy.
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    There was only one thing I disagreed with about his comments but we need to recruit this guy.
    What part did you disagree with? Also he has some of his fights uploaded and he does very well even using Taekwondo in the fights.
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