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    What about how the Supreme Court decided several years ago that the police have no duty, whatsoever, to protect you?
    How does that work then mate ?

    If they have no duty to protect, what exactly are they responsible for ?
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    How does that work then mate ?

    If they have no duty to protect, what exactly are they responsible for ?
    They are to catch criminals and uphold the law.
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    How does that work then mate ?

    If they have no duty to protect, what exactly are they responsible for ?
    In some cases, revenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    This is where I loose context.

    If murder or rape (just to pick a couple of serious crimes) are against the law, how then can Police be beyond the responsibility of protecting the public toward whom those crimes would be against?
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    Have you seen how fast those guys can toss kegs?? Seriously though the only point of that was to show you that anything can be demonized and fear mongered.
    Oh, I'm aware.

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    The real question is where do you draw the line on weapon bans?? How far is too far?? A police state is pretty safe, but most people don't want to live in one.
    If you're asking me personally, I don't believe in banning anything. I believe in personal responsibility. I'm very much against a nanny state. The last thing this world needs is more rules.

    I don't have to think about gun control very often, as I live in Canada. We have gun control debates every now and then, but they're very different from what I see in the USA. Ours are mostly about gun registries. It's interesting to see what people with a more vested interest in the debate than I do have to say about it. I usually wouldn't insert myself into a gun debate on the internet, I was just compelled to this morning.
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    How does that work then mate ?

    If they have no duty to protect, what exactly are they responsible for ?
    Welcome to America, the land of the free and the home governed by the stupid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Ape View Post
    This is where I loose context.

    If murder or rape (just to pick a couple of serious crimes) are against the law, how then can Police be beyond the responsibility of protecting the public toward whom those crimes would be against?
    "Litigation", they are not "responsible" is my understanding.
    They are to uphold the law and arrest criminals; if they catch a murderer they have done their job, same for arresting someone committing that crime.
    That does not imply "protecting" anyone, oddly enough.
    The victims could already be dead, but the police have upheld their duty.

    Another look into another court opinion, Riss v. City of New York, 22 N.Y. 2d (1968), brings forth a major question in regards to the police and their ability to be held responsible for neglectful actions.

    Is a municipality liable for failure to provide special police protection to a member of the public who was repeatedly threatened with personal harm and eventually suffered injuries for lack of protection? ”

    Of course, the courts stated “No”
    and upheld the appeals court ruling on the matter. Here we can see, that again the courts affirmed, that the people have no “right” to be protected.
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    Tangential question for those of you who collect guns:
    Do firearms have the whole planned in obsolescence thing like computers and cars? Like, will a firearm likely cease functioning ten years after it was made, or can they be easily maintained into perpetuity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Ape View Post
    This is where I loose context.

    If murder or rape (just to pick a couple of serious crimes) are against the law, how then can Police be beyond the responsibility of protecting the public toward whom those crimes would be against?
    The super basic version is that if a civilian gets held at gun point and robbed, they can't turn around and sue the police for not being their to keep it from happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    The super basic version is that if a civilian gets held at gun point and robbed, they can't turn around and sue the police for not being their to keep it from happening.
    I don't envy LEOs, with this type of asshattery going on. Of course, some court at some point said "yes, you can sue police," which resulted in the inevitable, "but, they can't be held responsible," ruling. There are days that I'd rather deal with a gun-wielding asshole than a litigious asshole. I've had too many of the latter for my taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    The super basic version is that if a civilian gets held at gun point and robbed, they can't turn around and sue the police for not being their to keep it from happening.
    Understood.
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