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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    And yes under the right set of circumstances someone with extreme strength could be just as unstoppable as someone with a gun.
    If I could bet on raw strength vs guy with a gun matches, I'd be a millionaire.

    Do you really think a classroom with gradeschool kids would fare any better against someone who could toss them 20 feet in the air?? You see any weapon or advantage can be demonized.
    Yeah dude, a guy with a gun could certainly kill more gradeschool kids with less time and effort than some strongman who could toss kids 20 feet in the air. Furthermore, there's a precedent for that happening with guns. Ever heard a news story about a strongman on a rampage on a school campus? I know you wanna fit in on a gun forum by agreeing that guns aren't the problem but this argument is really foolish.
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    If I could bet on raw strength vs guy with a gun matches, I'd be a millionaire.


    Yeah dude, a guy with a gun could certainly kill more gradeschool kids with less time and effort than some strongman who could toss kids 20 feet in the air. Furthermore, there's a precedent for that happening with guns. Ever heard a news story about a strongman on a rampage on a school campus? I know you wanna fit in on a gun forum by agreeing that guns aren't the problem but this argument is really foolish.
    ::sigh:: you did read the whole thread right?? My whole point was that it is a stupid argument.
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    Sorry, I missed this line:



    In that case, no there is no difference.

    I have to ask, what are the circumstances that have to be met in order for someone with extreme strength could be just as unstoppable as someone with a gun? What, are the circumstances in which someone with a gun is as unstoppable as someone with a gun? ;) Which has a higher chance of happening?
    Well first you would have to tell me how either would be able to be stopped by a classroom of kids.

    On a side note, you do realize the rabbit hole this discussion is jumping down right??
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    Only because that is what spurs the debate. If it wasn't for recent events that involve mass shootings, the level of gun debate would be much lower. Again, I stated that it's speculation on my part, I claim no expertise. I am making assumptions, but I'm trying to be upfront about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by huge View Post
    Discounting mass shootings, I agree wholeheartedly.
    Once again, mass shootings are the outliers. All of the deaths from all of the mass shootings in the last 30 years of American history total a fraction of all of the gun-related deaths in America in just one year. And, I do mean a fraction: 513 (source: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ones-full-data) compared to 9,400 firearm deaths in 2010 (source: Scrapper http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=118979). Arguing for gun control from this perspective is asinine.
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    What's the delivery method of the fire? Flamethrower? Zippo? Bomb? Torch? Like this?

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    Hahahahaha I really hope this is a troll post.
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    Ok I have a question, can anyone in this thread show me the statistics on wether or not banning weapons does in fact have a serious impact on murder rates?? And if so is there a trade off in other crimes due to disarming the public?? Serious question here I have tried to look this up several times and find only conflicting data.
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    Ok I have a question, can anyone in this thread show me the statistics on wether or not banning weapons does in fact have a serious impact on murder rates?? And if so is there a trade off in other crimes due to disarming the public?? Serious question here I have tried to look this up several times and find only conflicting data.
    There are studies referenced in this thread: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=118979
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    http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

    Very detailed analysis.

    I feel dirty for even posting in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    Well first you would have to tell me how either would be able to be stopped by a classroom of kids.
    They don't have to stop him, they have to escape him. A gunman can theoretically stand in the doorway and attack everyone from there. A strongman can't attack a whole class from the doorway. Once he's busy tossing the first kid, there's a higher likelihood of escape for the remaining children. It's reduced casualties. Yes dead is dead, but less dead is better.


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    On a side note, you do realize the rabbit hole this discussion is jumping down right??
    Yep.
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    Yes. Which is likely why I don't get it.
    Pretty much.
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