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    Oh, and no, I don't think that is what he is saying. Since rate of fire is how fast a weapon can fire it's projectiles. As in rounds per minute or rounds per second. He said that the right to cary a firearm should be limited to LEO and security guards. Not that they should be forced to shoot slower.
    You're correct, I forgot about his second sentence and focused on the thread title.

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    If he had a more efficient weapon, how many more could have died?

    I'm not saying knives don't kill people, I'm saying that it's easier to kill people with a fully automatic weapon than with a knife.

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    I'm a little curious on if you want fists banned too.
    Clearly that's the point I was making. Good for you for picking up on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

    I have never understood, and I still don't, how not having access to guns that can be modified to have a higher rate of fire with a conversion kit, while still having access to a less efficient gun infringes upon the second amendment.
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    Full-automatic and semi-automtic firearms should be banned from public ownership. Also, the right to carry a firearm on one's person (either concealed or displayed, as in a holster) should be limited to law enforcement officials and, in some instances, security guards.
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    I have never understood, and I still don't, how not having access to guns that can be modified to have a higher rate of fire with a conversion kit, while still having access to a less efficient gun infringes upon the second amendment.
    Are you Canadian?
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    You're correct, I forgot about his second sentence and focused on the thread title.



    If he had a more efficient weapon, how many more could have died?

    I'm not saying knives don't kill people, I'm saying that it's easier to kill people with a fully automatic weapon than with a knife.



    Clearly that's the point I was making. Good for you for picking up on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

    I have never understood, and I still don't, how not having access to guns that can be modified to have a higher rate of fire with a conversion kit, while still having access to a less efficient gun infringes upon the second amendment.
    So then we are in agreement that this guy is just as dangerous as an automatic weapon.:Name:  travis.JPG
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    Are you Canadian?
    Yes. Which is likely why I don't get it.
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    I'm not saying knives don't kill people, I'm saying that it's easier to kill people with a fully automatic weapon than with a knife.
    Curious, how many fully automatic weapons have you fired? What qualifies you to make this analysis?
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    So then we are in agreement that this guy is just as dangerous as an automatic weapon.:Name:  travis.JPG
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    I don't believe that we are. How do you figure?
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    I don't believe that we are. How do you figure?
    My point is flying right over your head isn't it?? The argument you are making is the same one I can make, just to a different extent of stupidity.
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    I have never understood, and I still don't, how not having access to guns that can be modified to have a higher rate of fire with a conversion kit, while still having access to a less efficient gun infringes upon the second amendment.
    I think because it is a slippery slope. Most people just figure that if we start down that road, then it gets more and more limiting. So people just figure that if you keep your hands off my gun rights, then we don't have to worry about it. Full auto, then semi, then high capacity mags, then we can just get down to revolvers or single shot pistols. Do I think that auto or semi-auto guns are needed for hunting, no. But they sure are fun to shoot.
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    Curious, how many fully automatic weapons have you fired? What qualifies you to make this analysis?
    Nothing really. I don't claim to be an expert. I don't deny I could be wrong as this is pure speculation.

    Comparing knife to gun, attacking a group of unarmed people in a building:
    • With a knife I have to put myself much closer to a victim, increasing my risk of counter attack.
    • Just switching targets is a longer process if I have to take much more than a step to get to the next one.
    • If a potential victim is a faster runner than me, they have an increased chance of getting away.
    • Having never fires a fully automatic weapon I cannot speak to the amount of fatigue caused by carrying, firing, and reloading of one vs. (possibly) chasing down a target, and stabbing them.



    Obviously, this is just off the top of my head, but I can't see how a knife could be equally compared with an automatic weapon, in terms of killing efficiency.
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