Is BJJ still Good for MMA

[Diesel_tke]

So 2+2= 44?

No damn it. 2+2= 22

[Omega Supreme]

Yeah, but if 2x2=4 but you have 2+2 then that should be 44. So 4-22+44= 2

[Diesel_tke]

Yeah, but if 2 x 2 = 4 but you have 2 + 2 then that should be 44. So 4 - 22 + 44 = 2

There, now it's correct.

[Omega Supreme]

I'm neither new nor as young as I once was (soon The Dutchman will just be a day in the life and not a wistful, tear inducing tale) and as of right now, BJJ and its derivates are the most sophisticated ground grappling systems. Sophisticated isn't synonymous with better. Obviously you can get by without that. You can get by knowing only a basic single and double too, or even the first two sets of throws in the gokyo no waza. That doesn't mean BJJ contains all of judo's throwing knowledge. Come on man, have a little pride.



It is.



That's false. While given the fact that judoka outnumber BJJers 5-10 times, it's possible to find photos of different judoka doing most BJJ submissions (although there's a lot of important exceptions), you'd be violating fundamental BJJ principles by claiming that's the same thing as BJJ being a rump state of O.G. judo. Submissions are the last part of the fight, after all. Most of BJJ takes place before the submission is ever locked on. BJJers have developed the knowledge base of positioning on the ground to a degree unseen anywhere else.

I can say this as someone who's been doing judo almost five years in a very judo heavy area, who loves judo. It ain't remotely comparable.

It's not the point of the discussion Hedge. It would be, IMO, a stupid argument to contradict your statement per se; except some of the propaganda spouted by a lot of BJJ schools.

It's an argument for another thread, not here. The discussion that we're trying to say is that you don't need to be a bjj player or really study bjj to be successful in MMA (general breakdown).

[theAsthmatic]

I'd argue that there are no essential styles, but there are essential disciplines. Takedowns/TDD, punches, kicks, etc.

I am not so sure that styles are going anywhere anytime soon.

There is a world of difference between a boxer's body punch and a kyokushin fighter's body punch. It's still a punch, and it targets the same area but the difference is in the style of the delivery. I believe they are both quite effective also, so it's not going to be the case for the weaker technique to be exposed and vanish from existence leaving only a generic 'body punch'.

Same thing for say a karate round house and a muay thai roundhouse. Totally different kicks, but both have their uses. Their essential discipline might be a 'kick to the body' but still they are distinct techniques with neither one being superior in all settings.

This applies to grappling also. A wrestler's take down may be different from a judo/sambo takedown, but they both work and are, in my opinion distinctly, different moves.

[Omega Supreme]

I am not so sure that styles are going anywhere anytime soon.

There is a world of difference between a boxer's body punch and a kyokushin fighter's body punch. It's still a punch, and it targets the same area but the difference is in the style of the delivery. I believe they are both quite effective also, so it's not going to be the case for the weaker technique to be exposed and vanish from existence leaving only a generic 'body punch'.

Same thing for say a karate round house and a muay thai roundhouse. Totally different kicks, but both have their uses. Their essential discipline might be a 'kick to the body' but still they are distinct techniques with neither one being superior in all settings.

This applies to grappling also. A wrestler's take down may be different from a judo/sambo takedown, but they both work and are, in my opinion distinctly, different moves.

You are missing the point.

[DKJr]

This applies to grappling also. A wrestler's take down may be different from a judo/sambo takedown, but they both work and are, in my opinion distinctly, different moves.

Duh. I view myself as a martial artist who prefers to punch and grapple who happens to use boxing and BJJ as a vehicle for those tendencies.

[theAsthmatic]

You are missing the point.

If the point was it doesn't matter which one you study (between BJJ, Sambo, Judo and maybe wrestling) as long as you study one of them, along with some striking then I don't think I missed it.

I was responding more to the notion that there are no essential styles.

However, if that wasn't the point either, then I guess I am not as smart as my mother always told me I was.

[Omega Supreme]

If the point was it doesn't matter which one you study (between BJJ, Sambo, Judo and maybe wrestling) as long as you study one of them, along with some striking then I don't think I missed it.

I was responding more to the notion that there are no essential styles.

However, if that wasn't the point either, then I guess I am not as smart as my mother always told me I was.

Close. Truthfully I'm not addressing anything because it is an in depth reply and I'm working and just do hit and run posts to keep caught up.

[DARPAChief]

Indeed, the entire sport was born from Judo, which was born from several Japanese Jujutsu Ryu-ha (I'm not sure that Ryu-ha is the proper term).

Ryuha is an excellent choice. You could also say ryu, ryugi, koryu, etc.