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    According to the handbook with all the history and what not says it was Robin Otani who awarded him 6th dan.
    No where in his stated linage does he say where or how he got his 7th Dan.
    That's fairly easy to verify, I know the Otani family indirectly. And I know they have extensive records of all yudansha within what was the original Judo organisation in the UK. Leave that with me.

    Suffice to say, there's a lot of people who've previously claimed members of the Otani family have awarded Judo rank, they use the Otani name as some means of superficially adding credibility to otherwise bullshit grades. I'll wager a good guess this is exactly one of those occasions.
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    Email fired off through the BJC website regarding Bryan Cheek's claim of grade(s) from Robin Otani

    Dear Sirs,

    Would you be in a position to clarify if a gentleman by the name of Bryan Cheek is known to your oganisation ?

    One of Mr. Cheek's students states that Mr. Cheek was a 5 times Judo Champion and graded to 6th dan by Mr. Robin Otani, these claims have been made to Mr. Cheek's students and, having been involved in previous investigative process with a Mr. Name Redacted, I have been asked if I would approach your good selves to obtain any verification of Mr. Cheek's claims.

    I am not looking to discredit the BJC in any way but would welcome any information as requested.

    Kind regards

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    BJA's online Dan Grade register has one entry for Brian K Cheek awarded 1st dan in 1973.

    Can't be certain whether this is the same Brian Cheek though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Right to the heart of the problem you care more about being different than being effective.
    Quote Originally Posted by dougguod View Post
    You didn't say anything about pradal serey's history (which is speculative, by the way) or its similarity to muay thai. You dismissed muay thai on the grounds that it's a "trend" that "everyone's doing". Instead of being a martial arts hipster and sneering about how passé mainstream styles like muay thai and bjj are while puffing your chest about how you're into some obscure style maybe you should ponder why muay thai and bjj are so prevalent.
    He chose an art that makes people beat the **** out of each other, who gives a **** what his reason is?

    As long as he knows he has to fight in his training it's all good.



    Check out the fight at around 2:50 some beast kicks.

    They're probably the same **** because awwwwwwww, in the end of the video the guy writes: This is Pradai Serey NOT Muai Thai. He capitalized NOT too because he's putting his foot down to end this injustice and everything.

    How cute! There's a whole dispute about it too like the Korean and Japanese martial arts.

    Who gives a **** man? Just go out there and bust your ass. Leave this **** for the historians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nointro View Post
    BJA's online Dan Grade register has one entry for Brian K Cheek awarded 1st dan in 1973.

    Can't be certain whether this is the same Brian Cheek though.
    There's a significant different between shodan and rokudan :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by vMonkv View Post
    Brian Cheek the creator of this style is a 5 time british judo champ, in his time.
    Can you confirm which organisation Mr. Cheek was a member of during his competitive years.
    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    According to the handbook with all the history and what not says it was Robin Otani who awarded him 6th dan.
    Vmonkv - can you also confirm if Mr. Cheek has ever discussed his Judo grades with students like your good self ?
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    Lifted from http://tigersdenjiu-jitsu.com/manual.pdf

    Soke Bryan Cheek born 1951, attained his black belt (first Dan) in Judo after 11 years of trainings in 1969 from his Sensei, Japanese Master Otani Matsutaru. His trainings under Matsutaru Otani started in 1964. Having become one of his best English students, Soke Bryan Cheek trained under Master Matsutaru Otani until Matsutaru‘s death in 1977.

    The last grade, gained from Otani Matsutaru, was 4th Dan in the art of Judo. After that the leadership of the Society of Judo was passed to his son, Robin Otani (the present British Judo Council President), who graded Soke Bryan Cheek to 5th and 6th Dan in the art of Judo.

    From 1969 till 1970 Soke Bryan Cheek had an opportunity to train under outstanding Japanese Master Kenshiro Abbe (1975 - 1985), the holder of 8th Dan in Judo, 6th Dan in Kendo, Kudo, Aikido and Karate; Judo champion among 5th Dan holders and absolute Japan Champion in year 1933. Abbe Sensei was the youngest Judo 3rd, 4th and 5th Dan
    holder and Japan Judo champion in its history (18 years old).

    Soke Bryan Cheek opened his first dojo in London in 1972. The “Judo Ippon” club was famous for its rigid old Judo practices; it was considered shameful to win a fight without “ippon”. Sacrifice throws were considered not correct, as they were dangerous in a real life, not sport, fighting. “Kosen judo” wrestling was also practiced intensively in the dojo. Many of “Judo Ippon” students were successful in tournaments, and Soke Bryan Cheek himself became five fold British National Judo Champion.

    After having achieved Master qualification in Judo, Soke Bryan Cheek began to seriously to engage in Ju Jutsu training. He trained under a specialist Committee headed by Professor James Blandell (the founder of British Ju Jutsu Association, consequently founded WJJF) and Professor Robert Clark. The name of style practiced was “Juko Ryu Ju Jutsu” - was borrowed during the relationships with “Jukokai International” and its leader Rod Socharnosky.
    Massive red flag of bullshit - Rod Scharnosky

    http://www.e-budokai.com/jukokai/index.htm

    http://www.e-budokai.com/jukokai/pdf...nt-exhibit.pdf

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9116
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    Confirmation from the BJC

    Not so surprisingly:

    Dear Mr. Name Redacted.

    Mr. Cheek was indeed a member of the BJC for some years but only achieved the grade of 3rd Dan

    However he has not been a member of our organisation since 1977

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    Kinda blows the Robin Otani claim and 6th dan right out of the water.
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    I've moved this to MABS as I feel this is worthy of greater exposure given the confirmation from the British Judo Council and Mr. Cheeks connections to other obvious and known martial arts bullshit.
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    I've culled this thread with the YMAS/Trollshido acceptable comments.

    This is now a MABS thread so please post accordingly.

    If you want to rant post here http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=119726
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