Video for New IJF Rules on leg grabs

**r12477** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 6:51pm

The following URL has started to be circulated which includes some video clarifications on what constitutes illegal leg grabs, grip breaks and hansoku make under the new IJF rule set.

I thought this may be of interest to this forum.

http://refereeusb.judobase.org/live/...app/index.html

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 1/17/2013 7:09am

Wow at the one where the guy goes for a half-arsed sacrifice but his opponent gets DQ'd for grabbing his leg to pass the guard a bit too quickly. They're surely going to need a ref call for "groundwork now initiated, please feel free to touch your opponent's lower extremities" to make this look even slightly like working.

**r12477** · Posted On: 1/17/2013 5:27pm

Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn

Wow at the one where the guy goes for a half-arsed sacrifice but his opponent gets DQ'd for grabbing his leg to pass the guard a bit too quickly. They're surely going to need a ref call for "groundwork now initiated, please feel free to touch your opponent's lower extremities" to make this look even slightly like working.

Yeah, there are a few videos there that I had to watch a second or third time to clarify exactly where the disqualification action took place. This was because in some instances, particularly in the transition to newaza, it is not always clear.

**1point2** · Posted On: 1/18/2013 5:21pm

I'd like to note that this is a pretty well-executed tool for referees. Bravo to the development team.

And wow, that's some great judo that they're punishing. I'm sad. Judo is dumb*.

* I still play and compete. It's not that dumb. But this is dumb.

**BKR** · Posted On: 1/22/2013 7:05pm

Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn

Wow at the one where the guy goes for a half-arsed sacrifice but his opponent gets DQ'd for grabbing his leg to pass the guard a bit too quickly. They're surely going to need a ref call for "groundwork now initiated, please feel free to touch your opponent's lower extremities" to make this look even slightly like working.

I agree, I was like WTF, HSM for that?

I must have missed the part about the illegal grip cuts. I'll have to go and look again.

Ben

**BKR** · Posted On: 1/22/2013 7:17pm

Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn

Wow at the one where the guy goes for a half-arsed sacrifice but his opponent gets DQ'd for grabbing his leg to pass the guard a bit too quickly. They're surely going to need a ref call for "groundwork now initiated, please feel free to touch your opponent's lower extremities" to make this look even slightly like working.

I looked a bit more deeply. Still nothing on two handed grip cuts.

The leg grab stuff is a bit silly. I think the current rules (as of last year) were working. The negative Judo/gripping stuff is just a minor extension of what has been around for a while.

Ben

**1point2** · Posted On: 1/22/2013 8:41pm

Originally Posted by BKR

I looked a bit more deeply. Still nothing on two handed grip cuts.

Ben, I see it under '06 - valid' and '07 - not valid', which for some reason don't have sound or competition examples of the grip breaks.

**Res Judicata** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 1:15pm

I just watched the 06 and 07. Seriously? This is utterly ridiculous. Look at that last one--you can even do the most common counter to tomoe nage any more (tap the leg and slide around). How are you supposed to transition to ne waza effectively? And apparently once you're opponent gets the lapel grip, you're stuck because the most effective ways of stripping it are now illegal.

I'm still not sure how the same sided grips work, which is my only concern for my own Judo. I like hand throws from a same-side lapel grip (tai otoshi-seoi otoshi-seoi nage).

My dojo uses the "classic" rules, fortunately--no kani basami, no kawazu gake, but otherwise grip and throw as you like.

**r12477** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 4:46pm

Originally Posted by Res Judicata

I'm still not sure how the same sided grips work, which is my only concern for my own Judo. I like hand throws from a same-side lapel grip (tai otoshi-seoi otoshi-seoi nage).

The rules on this as described by our local state referee commission chairman was that same side grips are allowed, but only if followed by immediate attack. Shido if not followed by attack.

**BKR** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 4:55pm

Originally Posted by 1point2

Ben, I see it under '06 - valid' and '07 - not valid', which for some reason don't have sound or competition examples of the grip breaks.

thanks, got it. Someone posted that specific video on the new judoforum.

That's going to be a lot harder to adjust to than the leg grab stuff. Two handed grip breaking is pretty much well internalized in myself and my students. Dammit, spent years on how to do them, and use them positively to set up attack sequences, drill sequences, argh. I hope the refs give some latitude at first, otherwise it' will be a shido bloodbath.

This will put a premium on getting a useable grip first for sure. Also, on how to attack/defend effectively from different grips, which is an upside I suppose.

Ben