1/12/2013 11:09am, #31
Yes I realize that is not a wholly accurate definition. It is one that most members here ascribed to however.
Shut the hell up and train.
1/12/2013 12:32pm, #32
What you always must bear in mind when discussing the merits or historical nature of koryu is they they are based today on what physically worked then, in the era in which they were relevant and developed for. Today, this is seen as natural selection at its best.
Many of the once thousands of bujutsu-ryu ha are now extinct, most of them because the headmasters and retainers of those systems were eventually killed by better headmasters and retainers of other (and often better) schools. That's the way it worked then through roughly 300 years of continuous internal warfare.
This translates today in maintaining those traditions as "living history" not because someone simply says "this is how it must be done" but because that is how it was successfully proven in battle over the course of a very long period of time. Those systems themselves underwent a great deal of development and evolution and it was only during comparative periods of peace that such development slowed. Within those periods and especially after the Meiji Restoration, a greater emphasis was placed on personal development rather than the sole intention of attrition.
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1/12/2013 1:36pm, #33
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1/12/2013 2:56pm, #34
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my job was weeding, and the way i did it (and i'm not sure i was doing it right, mind you) was to bend at the waist grab a weed, slide my hand along the weed under water and into the mud until i could pull it out by the root, and then collect it in a bag and move on to the next. no squats, and an aching back.
see, i had been stupid enough to read up on the dangers facing me on a japanese farm, so i had read about these weird parasites that attacked through the soles of your feet, worked their way up your body, and ate your brain. i was so freaked out that i bought tabi to wear in the rice paddy (everyone else went barefoot and told me i was an idiot.) anyway i sure as hell wasn't going to dip my *butthole* into that water, that's for sure.
come to think of it. the water came up to my mid thighs or a little higher, so squatting might have been really unpleasant. my way at least my head stayed out of the water."Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
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1/12/2013 2:57pm, #35
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1/12/2013 4:07pm, #37
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The way I've always thought about it is traditional martial arts are any styles you would think of before you knew about MMA, disincluding sport styles. It always seemed to be a distinction based on self-identification and media representation. A traditional martial art is almost always Asian, typically requires students to wear a gi, belt, sash, robe, and/or ninja mask, and usually has a curriculum based on static drills, forms, and flashy techniques.
To put it another way, in the past if you told someone you were going to take up a martial art, they would picture you in a gi bowing to the Korean flag while yelling KIAI and getting crane kicked in the head. Nowadays if you say you're taking up an MA, they might think of that, but could also picture you rolling around with a bunch of other sweaty men while simultaneously shooting steroids and getting a tribal tattoo on your face.
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1/12/2013 4:35pm, #38
I'm starting to think the entire term is useless. The more you try to stick a specific definition on it, the more the definition fails to apply to anything, or, alternately, encompasses everything. Alive/non-alive is a clear distinction, whereas traditional and... well, what? Contemporary? Practical? Competitive? There is no effective antonym.
1/12/2013 6:05pm, #39
Kyokushin kai is not TMA
1/12/2013 6:33pm, #40