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    Muay Thai is traditional as they come, and I don't think there's much in the way of forms there.
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    There was a brief window in which martial arts could be founded and be considered traditional.

    If it was founded in 19th/ early 20th century: Traditional
    If it was founded more recently: Non-Traditional
    If it was founded millennia ago: Non-Traditional
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrutch View Post
    And I didn't mention "old" versus "new" - I was looking at traditional versus non-traditional, or at least what lots of people consider to be TMA.

    Which are the "TMA" that don't do forms out of interest? I've had a good think and can't come up with many/any, although my CMA knowledge is limited at best so I accept there may be loads of kung fu styles that don't.
    I wonder if sumo counts as tradition. I don't think they have forms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGalt View Post
    I wonder if sumo counts as tradition. I don't think they have forms.
    Oooh. Good call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGalt View Post
    I wonder if sumo counts as tradition. I don't think they have forms.
    Is it a martial art, though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azatdawn View Post
    Is it a martial art, though?
    yes.

    traditional is a misnomer. could use something like static i guess? muay thai over the course of its history has changed quite a bit. forms in arts dont change though do they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RWaggs View Post
    Muay Thai is traditional as they come
    You get get more traditional than MT though right? *dons tin hat* How about Muay Boran?

    Also MT is a sport, with rules and all that ****, therefore not TMA.

    *doffs tin hat*
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    There is no fucking definition.
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    I dunno how it works in English, in German you'd say there's a difference between "traditional" and "traditionalist", with "traditionalist" meaning (and I'll simplify a lot here) that a person or a group of people have made the more or less conscious decision that there's, for a example, a certain custom that's worth the be preserved.

    It has a certain museum quality to it. Sort of like trying make a niche for something that would not have survived on its own; mainly concerned with the preservation itself, in cases without any actual connection to its original meaning or use.
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    Which are the "TMA" that don't do forms out of interest? I've had a good think and can't come up with many/any
    I wasn't even thinking CMA. Take your pick of "traditional" wrestling styles like Cornish or Mongolian, they have no forms. They're still around, too.

    Just take forms out of the discussion of traditional vs. modern completely, imo. Forms are something specifically found in a subset of the so-called "traditional" arts.
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