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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    No I don't believe so. There are traditional arts without forms.

    Forms are specific to certain arts, not "old" versus "new".
    And I didn't mention "old" versus "new" - I was looking at traditional versus non-traditional, or at least what lots of people consider to be TMA.

    Which are the "TMA" that don't do forms out of interest? I've had a good think and can't come up with many/any, although my CMA knowledge is limited at best so I accept there may be loads of kung fu styles that don't.
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    Muay Thai is traditional as they come, and I don't think there's much in the way of forms there.
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    There was a brief window in which martial arts could be founded and be considered traditional.

    If it was founded in 19th/ early 20th century: Traditional
    If it was founded more recently: Non-Traditional
    If it was founded millennia ago: Non-Traditional
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrutch View Post
    And I didn't mention "old" versus "new" - I was looking at traditional versus non-traditional, or at least what lots of people consider to be TMA.

    Which are the "TMA" that don't do forms out of interest? I've had a good think and can't come up with many/any, although my CMA knowledge is limited at best so I accept there may be loads of kung fu styles that don't.
    I wonder if sumo counts as tradition. I don't think they have forms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGalt View Post
    I wonder if sumo counts as tradition. I don't think they have forms.
    Oooh. Good call.
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    I wonder if sumo counts as tradition. I don't think they have forms.
    Is it a martial art, though?
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    Is it a martial art, though?
    yes.

    traditional is a misnomer. could use something like static i guess? muay thai over the course of its history has changed quite a bit. forms in arts dont change though do they?
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    Muay Thai is traditional as they come
    You get get more traditional than MT though right? *dons tin hat* How about Muay Boran?

    Also MT is a sport, with rules and all that ****, therefore not TMA.

    *doffs tin hat*
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    I dunno how it works in English, in German you'd say there's a difference between "traditional" and "traditionalist", with "traditionalist" meaning (and I'll simplify a lot here) that a person or a group of people have made the more or less conscious decision that there's, for a example, a certain custom that's worth the be preserved.

    It has a certain museum quality to it. Sort of like trying make a niche for something that would not have survived on its own; mainly concerned with the preservation itself, in cases without any actual connection to its original meaning or use.
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