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  1. Sam Browning is offline

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    So who awarded you your Black Belt in BJJ? When was it awarded, and do you have any proof that this person awarded you your black belt such as a certificate you can post here, or a letter of recommendation from this BJJ black belt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontgetpunk View Post
    Now in order to answer some the questions:
    1. I denied all the accusations of this person. The real reason is a personal problem between Milton Marin and me. Iīm a real Carlson Gracie Black Belt. I did my training in private at that time because Brazil was very dangerous and my family was worry about it. Now my current Association supports me 100% because of my well representation of Gracie Jiu Jitsu, and I show to Grand master Relson Gracie that Iím a Black Belt in Gracie Jiu JItsu. Also I have 100% knowledge of Real Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
    2. It is a Lie that I never roll. I roll with all the people and students in my academy. My real students know that. I take care of my students that way and I donít let white belt roll until there are really to roll. And I accept challenges all time. I never say no
    3. I never teach or train in Mexico; I did my train in Brazil. That is why no one knows me in Mexico.
    4. In Utah I buy a tae kwon do gym from a Korean guy, the one on the picture and he invited me to his event before he sells it to me. Tiger Moon MMA Aiki Jiu Jitsu and Taekwondo was the name of the previous owner of the gym that I bought in order to open my new Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Gym. And I change the name later.
    5. My recommendations are these: donít let people walk in to your mind with their dirty feet.
    What about your fake certificate, can you answer that?
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    I noticed, in all of that, you did two things that make you look bad:

    1) Marin is not the subject of this thread. Trying to call his credentials into question is pure deflection on your part.

    2) You told a long story and didn't specifically answer any of the questions or pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontgetpunk View Post
    Hi my name is Roberto Scoca,
    1st I have to answer why I took so long to answer this post. I have total respect for the community and for the martial art.
    I was in ChinaÖ I got an invitation for a huge MMA brand to help in BJJ program (Zahabi MMA China). I was supervising all the staff and making sure of the liability of the business. Later I was invited in different gym (Titans MMA China). This is the reason why I didnít answer before.
    Now we have this person making very bad accusations about me. I think if we know the full story we can make a right judgment. Lest start by knowing the person that is making this accusations. ďBjjudgeĒ this person name is Milton Marin.

    Look for his webside: MMACostaRica.com
    And this is his information. But before read this understands that all these associations are create by him in Costa Rica, these are no real associations. He is a lawyer and he is able to create this association in order to make it look real to the MMA community. But these are not real.

    Sensei Milton Marin

    ē CEO of MMA Costa Rica and Costa Rica Training Center
    ē 20 yearsí experience in martial arts and contact sports.
    ē Third Dan Black Belt in Kickboxing - Kickboxing Global Organization, Buenos Aires, Argentina (Professor Claudio Badenas). Second Dan Black Belt in Kickboxing, Kickboxing Salvadoran Federation (Professor CarlosBetancourt).
    ē Black Belt in Full Contact Kartate (Kyokushin Karate) and representative Kyokuyama Costa Rica International Karate Organization (Shihan Guzman Emarruspe).
    ē Brasilian Jiujitsu Blue Belt, Professor Andrť Oliveira.

    He has competed nationally and internationally in the styles of Kyokushin Karate, Kickboxing and MMA.
    Director for Latin America of the International Kickboxing Federation (IKF) and the International Federation of Sports Combat (ISCF)
    Costa Rica Representative of World Kickboxing Association (WKA)
    Promoter martial arts and contact sports since 2004.
    Co-Director, Costa Rica Fight League.
    International Referee Judge and Mixed Martial Arts.

    **Important information: There is no belt for Kickboxing. Kickboxing is a sport not a martial art.

    Now, the reason why he is making these accusations is this one:

    I move to Costa Rica in 2011. So before I get to Costa Rica I did a research on internet for check if it was a market for BJJ or MMA in Costa Rica. Finally I search MMA Costa Rica and this person show up so I send him a message just asking for the market because I want to open a Relson Gracie Gym in Costa Rica.
    For me was a dream to move to Costa Rica, so we keep in touch and this guy start getting too friendly, that my very suspicious. In that time I was thinking we were friends. This guy is a Mormon like me, so I trust him. He actually priest in the place.

    He offered to help me to move to Costa Rica, so my idea was as soon as I got there, I was going to start looking for a place for rent in order to open my Academy. Milton Marin told me at that moment that he will like to help me so I can open an Academy in Costa Rica. So I believe him.

    With a couple days he insists in hire me in his gym. His gym was really lonely, no more than 20 to 30 people and I didnīt know why he claims he has 300 students all time and he was the best and truth MMA. So I decide rent the space for start teaching, but I never accept to work with him or sign a contract with him. I start getting suspicious of what he says all time, the place donít even have tatami. He claims have a fitness gym and actually the fitness area was very depressing.

    So I see the place and I say to myself: ďwell all start is hard so lest helpĒ. I start investment in t-shirt, equipment, and tatami because the place was very creepy, and of course Milton Marin was saying that he was making the investment and the construction of the place by himself. I didnít know this until I left the place. He opens the place 6 years before I arrive, but he never invests in nothing. The place began to change because of my investment.

    With the time the place start getting better, more people were going to train. In one month I did 70 students, only in BJJ and the next month I did 110 students for my program. I invite my professor, Relson Gracie, and I did a seminar. The seminar was a success and Relson was happy in Costa Rica, but didnít like Milton Marin or his place. Relson Gracie told me that look for a different place for his academy, he recommend me to look for a place just for my Academy without Milton Marin, the reason was because Relson Gracie didnít truth him, Relson Gracie didnít like the fact that this Milton Marin didnít have good relations with all the gyms in Costa Rica, Relson hear him told **** about other academy and express bad about all the other black Belts. Relson Gracie told me that in Gracie Jiu Jitsu we have good relations with other academy because these academies are the ones that help us to grow up in our competitions.

    After the Relson Gracie Seminar people was getting more interesting in Gracie Jiu Jitsu in Costa Rica, but Milton Marin didnít like the fact that I have more students. He start doing tricks, like tell the new people that was going to the gym for jiu jitsu that BJJ was too hard and it was better to start with Kickboxing for one or two month and them try BJJ, so people believe him I didnít start with bjj and just paid for Kickboxing. So I start putting attention to the front desk, in that time we have a mutual employee for help people at front desk and of course I thought this guy was working for the both of us, his name was Carlos. So I start putting attention to the process of enrolling people and this guy was telling to all new people that the BJJ was very hard for start training. Of course that make me very upset because it was affecting my business, so I confront them but they denied it.

    I decide to start investigating Milton Marin. I did not know why the guy never got invite to other academies events, why he express very bad of the other gyms in the country specially of the black belts in BJJ, and why he said that his ex-students and ex-coworkers betrayed him and open a new gym, more than ones. All this coworker were BJJ Black Belt, actually almost all the BJJ Black Belt in Costa Rica gave classes on his place, but now all of them hate him. I start asking to my students and they told me what happen. I did not believe it this guy was a church guy. The ex-students leave because they have many complains of been sexual harassed. Plus in the place have showers and Milton Marin sometimes got inside when the girls were getting showers with the excuse of start cleaning the place exactly at that moment. Also have holes in the sheetrock walls in order to spy on the girls.
    Them a friend shows me what kind of person Milton Marin is. He show me a paper from Costa Rica Court when one of his students (a girl) make a demand against his wife because his wife hit her when she found them together (Milton and his girl student) cheating on her and this girl put a restriction order against his wife.
    Also I start talking with other BJJ Black Belts and they told me that get out of that place as soon as possible because Milton Marin was a bad person and a liar.
    At that moment I discover the truth and I decided to move out of the place.
    I talk to more people and all people really recommend me to move out and them they told me many very creepy stories about him. I talk to my students and we move out.

    Then I start looking for a new place, it was hard but finally I got one and it was 2 blocks away from his place but it was the only place I can afford at that moment. This guy hear that I got that place and he got very upset, he started sending email to the students telling them lies about me and the reason why I was moving out, as he did with all the previous BJJ Black Belts that work in that place. Al so he started sending me emails saying to watch my back. And many different types of intimidation as he always did with previous co-worker. People tool me that this guys was going to get more nasty and I did not believe them but he did it. He start calling my wife and making her feel really bad.

    In that time I was in process of legalizing my status in Costa Rica, so many friends recommend me didnít react to his campaign. He is a lawyer and have good relationship with the council of the city, Milton start calling me to tell me that he will do everything he can in order to avoid that I open my place. When I ask the local gyms about that, they start telling me all the problems this guy did, like sent students of his place to put steel chains to their gyms for difficult the opening in the mornings, also he send the city inspectors for close gyms. He try to make me quit and not open my gym.

    My new Relson Gracie Costa Rica Academy had a huge success and we had a reopening seminar with Rhalan & Relson Gracie. In that time this guy starts with a campaign of claiming I was a liar and I was going to steal the money of my students. So that affect my seminar but we did it anyway. And it was a huge success. But this guy was very upset because of my success and now starts inventing stories about me. So I challenge the guy to a fight in a ring and in that time all the country knows of the problem with this guy and me. So I did public the challenge and the guy just hide, thatís why he did say I have a problem with a professor, and it is thru, with him. I told him any day any time. Iím still waiting.

    Them the China project start I get invited for same of my black belts from United States and investors for Zahabi MMA. So I went to China. When this guy find out he start a campaign of stilling students and making offers discount, even free memberships because he keep telling I was going to state in China. One of my ex-students is his good friend, a Chinese guy, and he call me ones to China and ask me when I get back, I was joking with the guy and I told him that I didnít know, that China is very cool and I maybe stay there. Of course was a joke. This guy contact Milton Marin and came out with this post. The reason why he didnít want me back is just because Iím not good for his business. If Iīm in Costa Rica he always loss students.

    Whit all respect to this web. I think is very unprofessional to encourage this type of behavior of an anonymous person and disrespect people with real names.

    Now in order to answer some the questions:
    1. I denied all the accusations of this person. The real reason is a personal problem between Milton Marin and me. Iīm a real Carlson Gracie Black Belt. I did my training in private at that time because Brazil was very dangerous and my family was worry about it. Now my current Association supports me 100% because of my well representation of Gracie Jiu Jitsu, and I show to Grand master Relson Gracie that Iím a Black Belt in Gracie Jiu JItsu. Also I have 100% knowledge of Real Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
    2. It is a Lie that I never roll. I roll with all the people and students in my academy. My real students know that. I take care of my students that way and I donít let white belt roll until there are really to roll. And I accept challenges all time. I never say no
    3. I never teach or train in Mexico; I did my train in Brazil. That is why no one knows me in Mexico.
    4. In Utah I buy a tae kwon do gym from a Korean guy, the one on the picture and he invited me to his event before he sells it to me. Tiger Moon MMA Aiki Jiu Jitsu and Taekwondo was the name of the previous owner of the gym that I bought in order to open my new Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Gym. And I change the name later.
    5. My recommendations are these: donít let people walk in to your mind with their dirty feet.
    porque seguŪs mintiendo si claramente sos un farsante?
    why are you still lying about being a black belt if you are clearly a charlatan?
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    I know Ty Hatfield. He claims to be a black belt but I went to one of his classes while he was teaching at Champion West Karate and he was asking me, a four stripe white belt at the time, how I did the americana. You can check out his videos on youtube.
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    Its affiliation itself which is the scam. If you pay them, you're a black belt under them. If you don't pay them, you're not legit. This same **** happened to me. From the outside, it looks like its just a BJJ club. Affiliation is not a club, its a franchise which controls your entire business. So if a guy switches franchises, or is not recognized by one, it says nothing about his legitimacy.
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    8/13/2013 3:17pm

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    This is interesting. His rank certificate is clearly fake, but he has a legit association certificate, acknowledging said rank. That's a weird combo for sure. I'd wager that Relson's continued support is financially motivated.
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