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    How Jihadis are Outgunning Euro Police

    ...On January 7 Bloomberg.com reported the that Charlie Hebdo attack exposed the black markets for firearms that now exist in Europe–particularly France–and undercut gun control.

    In other words, gun control appears to have created a false sense of security for the European people and their police forces as well. The reality is that guns remain available in black markets, albeit especially for those who have criminal or terrorist intent. ...

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...-us-outgunned/

    But..Wha...I don't understand! Don't they know it's illegal to have assault weapons!?

    Anyway, it's bemusing they'd focus on the police being outgunned when it appears as though they need a body count before they'll take threats seriously. A sitting duck with an, *ahem*, "patrol carbine" is still a sitting duck.
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    i'm sure that if they only pass stricter laws, the bad guys will start to obey them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DARPAChief View Post
    In other words, gun control appears to have created a false sense of security for the European people and their police forces as well. The reality is that guns remain available in black markets, albeit especially for those who have criminal or terrorist intent. ...
    It seems to me the writer is not very knowledgeable about the issue.
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    So I look at this map:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea...#Member_states

    And ask myself just how hard it would be to smuggle weapons from certain areas where there are likely still huge amounts of undocumented old soviet weaponry, specifically small arms and, oh, maybe, RPGs?, to say, France and or Germany ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    So I look at this map:

    And ask myself just how hard it would be to smuggle weapons from certain areas where there are likely still huge amounts of undocumented old soviet weaponry
    Not very hard.
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    Not very hard.
    Thanks for the European perspective.
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    Obviously, nobody here understands history. The solution to curbing violence is more laws; for example, in Canada we have a strict licensing system, and it's one of the safest countries in the world. But in truth, we're really behind the times; Rwanda and Mexico introduced much stricter legislation in the 70s.

    You might call them "developing countries", but don't be fooled; you're actually racist.

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    It seems to me the writer is not very knowledgeable about the issue.
    I feel like if anyone was very knowledgeable it wouldn't be an issue, and if you don't drop some knowledge on me, I will take issue.
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    I feel like if anyone was very knowledgeable it wouldn't be an issue, and if you don't drop some knowledge on me, I will take issue.
    Do anyone thinks (other than the Breibart guy) european police didn't knew there is illegaly obtained weapons in the hands of criminals and terrorists?
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    Do anyone thinks (other than the Breibart guy) european police didn't knew there is illegaly obtained weapons in the hands of criminals and terrorists?
    Even if they didn't know for a fact, I bet they assumed so.

    It seems the issue in France was on of not keeping track of people that should have been being watched. Or maybe even in custody.
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    Do anyone thinks (other than the Breibart guy) european police didn't knew there is illegaly obtained weapons in the hands of criminals and terrorists?
    As far as the police are concerned, it seems fairly cut and dry; they had a chance and blew it. But what I found provocative about your earlier comment was the notion that this problem is understandable and can be solved. Let's talk about that.

    There'll always be the wild cards; your sociopaths, your ideologues, your mentally ill, etc. But they don't always have to become destructive, and we don't always have to let them be so destructive. Yet, the way things are, I get the sense that there are a lot of boundaries to transgress before something is done about our unchecked wild cards, and maybe that has to do with resources. We cannot muster a police force great enough to virtually guarantee security, nor should we want to.

    If the police are medicine, then we should be the antibodies. We need an equivalent of "first aid" for dealing with people on the edge.
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