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    Full Nelson Defense...

    Watching this video...


    got me to thinking about legit, workable defenses to the venerable Full Nelson.

    A few years ago, I worked on the various ones that I've been shown over the years, and tried to invent something on my own, in response to a question in a private judo class about how to escape from one.

    My eventual answer was that it would be very difficult indeed to escape from a properly applied Full Nelson. This after having various of my students of different builds/strength levels apply them to me.

    The one in the video I have posted is not IMO properly applied. Tori (me and my judo words) should be lifting and pulling uke BACKWARDS, keeping him off balance while applying pressure to the neck. Laying on uke back like he wants to give him a reach-around just sets up the escape possibility, although a very strong guy can still control from the lean forward application.

    I'm interested to hear from those of you who have actually spent time on this...videos posted are welcome, of course, but real experience/experimentation would be great !
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    Getting out of a properly applied full nelson is near impossible.
    The good news is at least your not in a RNC.

    That being said taking it down to the ground in some way is probably a good start. As to have something in which to gain some leverage from.

    I know this video looks goofy but...



    ...it should get you down to the floor.

    This is probably a better method to do it, but it does look like you would have to get your head up to do it and that might be a problem.
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    of course it can still end up like this
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    Ever try any of those ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Ever try any of those ?
    Yes the 2nd one with very mixed results.
    You do have gravity working for you, but the guy in back is definitely in the dominate position and has a lot more control of whats going on.
    What I took away from it was, you have to be dynamic, dropping your weight as quick as possible with as little fussing around before hand. Still going to be very hard if they are actually pulling you back keeping you off balance.
    But as with most of this stuff its better than nothing I suppose.
    As I understand(not THAT means much) the good news is if your not being held to get beaten up by his buddies the full nelson isn't an immediate threat to life and limb. Not that it can't be used to transition into something nastier.
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    I'm pretty sure like with the RNC once it's on properly you're fucked, but for sloppy or not fully applied ones, Bas Rutten had an escape on his lethal street fighting video where you use your hands to brace your forehead and protect the neck from being cranked, then swing back into them IIRC

    designed for a standing rnc though..

    I can't find a copy of the video online, but it's on there on my copy
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    The one we drilled:



    First priority is regain posture and break the grip. Then work from there.

    Going to the ground with the double nelson locked was not encouraged at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soft touch View Post
    I'm pretty sure like with the RNC once it's on properly you're fucked, but for sloppy or not fully applied ones, Bas Rutten had an escape on his lethal street fighting video where you use your hands to brace your forehead and protect the neck from being cranked, then swing back into them IIRC

    designed for a standing rnc though..

    I can't find a copy of the video online, but it's on there on my copy
    whoops I meant standing Nelson not rnc

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    of course it can still end up like this
    That's a good example of how difficult it could be, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Yes the 2nd one with very mixed results.
    You do have gravity working for you, but the guy in back is definitely in the dominate position and has a lot more control of whats going on.
    What I took away from it was, you have to be dynamic, dropping your weight as quick as possible with as little fussing around before hand. Still going to be very hard if they are actually pulling you back keeping you off balance.
    But as with most of this stuff its better than nothing I suppose.
    As I understand(not THAT means much) the good news is if your not being held to get beaten up by his buddies the full nelson isn't an immediate threat to life and limb. Not that it can't be used to transition into something nastier.
    Hey, the krav magoo guy in my original video said "cervicals could be injured".

    I think the worst danger is getting repeatedly rammed into a wall or other hard object.

    That said, I had some pretty painful FNs put on me by my students. The stronger they were, the worse it was.

    If you can get posture back, the throwing options can work.
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