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    Question for LEO, pointing weapon at people?

    Curiosity question here: what are the rules, policies, guidelines for pointing a weapon at someone? I have read lots of articles regarding use of deadly force; I am referring to aiming and pointing a weapon only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike321 View Post
    Curiosity question here: what are the rules, policies, guidelines for pointing a weapon at someone? I have read lots of articles regarding use of deadly force
    The person having the weapon pointed at them must pose an immediate and imminent risk of death or great bodily harm to the officer or another person.

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    Question to the original poster, is your inquiry from a civilian gun owner's perspective IE where you stand in terms of the law if required to deploy a weapon or, a policy which LEO's must follow when they deploy their weapons in the course of their duties ?
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    Common sense should trump all in the this case: Don't point your weapon at someone unless you intend to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldiermedic View Post
    Common sense should trump all in the this case: Don't point your weapon at someone unless you intend to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldiermedic View Post
    Common sense should trump all in the this case: Don't point your weapon at someone unless you intend to use it.
    This is always a correct answer, but in this case, too easy. The OP asked for rules, policies, and guidelines pertaining to the application of deadly force.

    The common sense thing doesn't always come into play because some people lack it and nobody can teach it.

    Always treat all firearms as if they are loaded.
    Never point a firearm at anything you are not prepared to destroy.

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    Question for LEO, pointing weapon at people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Ape View Post
    Question to the original poster, is your inquiry from a civilian gun owner's perspective IE where you stand in terms of the law if required to deploy a weapon or, a policy which LEO's must follow when they deploy their weapons in the course of their duties ?
    Curiosity question only with no practical application to myself or any non law enforcement situation. Obviously law enforcement aims weapons at people without pulling the trigger so I figured there was guidelines for this which slamdunc posted. I figure pointing a weapon at a restrained suspect would get you in trouble but suspects in a car would be justified even if you don't intend to shoot unless they do something.
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    I read OP as "when is it acceptable to point a weapon at somebody when you're not intending to fire." The answer is never. You should never take aim solely for the purpose of scaring somebody; there will certainly be instances when firing is not necessary because you've taken aim, however.

    It's a two-step process. You decide to use deadly force to stop an aggressor from whatever behavior you're trying to stop. If it works out that you don't have to actually pull the trigger, great, but pointing the weapon is an intent to shoot, not an empty threat.

    (insert some disclaimer here about IANAL and follow the laws in your own locality, etc.)
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    Question for LEO, pointing weapon at people?

    Should have clarified in original post: I am referring to pointing a weapon in a law enforcement setting only. Curious about training relate to this. I will give an absurd example: pointing weapons at every driver in a DUI checkpoint would not be allowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike321 View Post
    Should have clarified in original post: I am referring to pointing a weapon in a law enforcement setting only. Curious about training relate to this. I will give an absurd example: pointing weapons at every driver in a DUI checkpoint would not be allowed.
    Thanks for the clarification as I read your post to basically refer to anyone deploying without the intention of discharging.

    There's an obvious difference between deploying to ready one's self (but not pointing or aiming) and the act of physical aiming.

    From a civilian perspective (I realize you're asking for an LEO perspective) if you're CCW certified and pull your fire arm, this would be considered "brandishing" However, I would expect an LEO to be in a position to legally draw his/her weapon under certain situations (in readiness) but the weapon isn't aimed at the individual concerned.

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