2 Loyd Irvin guys arrested on rape charges

**crappler** · Posted On: 1/22/2013 10:36pm

I'm all about second chances, but violent criminals remain violent criminals. They just end up with Low-T. **** them.

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 12:52am

Originally Posted by Soldiermedic

Marcos Allevan attempted to start a thread defending Lloyd Irvin and explaining his comments to Tom Callos...predictably, it did not go well.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma....&page=1&pc=313

It looks like the thread got removed. Does LI have his protectors over there?

**DKJr** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 12:57am

Originally Posted by Sam Browning

It looks like the thread got removed. Does LI have his protectors over there?

Yes they are affiliated with Lloyd, and Marcos named his son after Lloyd.

Unless you meant at mmaunderground.com

**NoTeefa** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 2:52am

Gawd he wrote that letter like a damn viral marketing campaign.
Is that how he talks?

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 5:41am

Too little, too late with far too much humblebrag and in a weaselly, self-serving tone to boot.

My opinion is, and shall remain:
****
THAT
GUY

**jeffphansen77** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 6:18am

There are different kinds of mistakes. Not all of them reflect on one's character. This wasn't the sort of dumb, absent minded slip-up decent people make. Hanging around during a long, drawn out gang rape & doing nothing to help shows him to be an immoral coward at the very least. The fact that he tried to participate makes him a piece of ****.

He gets no credit for finally acknowledging the issue after deafening us all with silence all this time while letting his people take the heat for him. He had a million-dollar empire going down in flames & it only got worse every day he stayed silent. What was he going to do? Hide in his bedroom forever & let his business evaporate?

This token nod to the issue gives his inner circle the excuse they need to stay loyal & try to put this behind them. Now they can say "you're all haterz, he addressed it" instead of thinking "WTF, Lloyd?" while fading this shitstorm. It's just another savvy business move.

**Diesel_tke** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 9:04am

I don't know the laws up there or at the time of his participation in the rape, but I don't understand exactly how he got off with nothing. The only thing I can guess is that he created doubt with the whole inability to get it up thing. But I still don't understand how he didn't get an accessary charge for not reporting it or stopping it. Did he testify against his co-defendants or something to keep from getting further charges? Just seems wierd to me.

Also getting drunk and fighting, or getting drunk and vandalizing a car, is way different than getting drunk and participating in gang rape!

**Ming Loyalist** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 9:23am

LI kept claiming he was going to come clean about the 1989 case, but then all he said was "i was found not guilty", ignoring the many questions that people still have about that case.

he sure uses a lot of words to avoid talking about anything relevant to the situation.

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 10:13am

Here's an interesting question, and I am presuming the two attackers are guilty because they were apparantly caught on video tape.

The victim was one of LI's employees and the two attackers were longtime students of LI.

There was a good chance that information about this rape was going to get back to LI, even if the victim did not go to the police. Why did the two rapists think that they wouldn't have problems with LI if and when he learned about the attack. Did they think he'd ignore what the victim claimed?

Beyond morality, and the issue of evil, why did these guys think they could get away with #$%^&*# where they trained. The implications are potentially quite damaging.

**NoTeefa** · Posted On: 1/23/2013 3:40pm

Originally Posted by Sam Browning

Here's an interesting question, and I am presuming the two attackers are guilty because they were apparantly caught on video tape.

The victim was one of LI's employees and the two attackers were longtime students of LI.

There was a good chance that information about this rape was going to get back to LI, even if the victim did not go to the police. Why did the two rapists think that they wouldn't have problems with LI if and when he learned about the attack. Did they think he'd ignore what the victim claimed?

Beyond morality, and the issue of evil, why did these guys think they could get away with #$%^&*# where they trained. The implications are potentially quite damaging.

Just to clarify, I believe both attackers had been training with the Lloyd Irvin team for less than a year.